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Old 05-13-2015, 05:06 PM   #276
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20/40 live 9 handed.

The button is pretty loose, cold calls a lot, fairly sticky post flop, straight forward, mubsy. The blinds are both tight. My image is TAG.

It's folded to me in the CO. What do you do with these hands? 22's-55's...J8s, 67s, A2o-A6o, K5s-K7s.
22 fold
33 fold
44 raise
55 raise

J8s raise
67s raise

A2o fold
A3o fold
A4o fold
A5o raise
A6o raise

K5s raise
K6s raise
K7s raise
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Old 05-14-2015, 08:28 AM   #277
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22 fold
33 fold
44 raise
55 raise

J8s raise
67s raise

A2o fold
A3o fold
A4o fold
A5o raise
A6o raise

K5s raise
K6s raise
K7s raise
This is about what I was thinking. I think K5 and K6s are close. K7s feels about right.

Are you going any lower than J8s or 67s?
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Old 05-14-2015, 08:41 AM   #278
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20/40 9 handed live.

LAG open limps UTG(he will LRR 3 or 4 times a session...sometimes premium hands sometimes suited connectors or small pocket pairs), a very Laggy HJ raises, super loose Button calls, I am next with ATo in SB.
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Old 05-14-2015, 02:19 PM   #279
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20/40 9 handed, terrible player with 2.5 small bets left raises utg. bad player calls button with a full stack. I'm in the bb, is there any hand i can't call?
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Old 05-14-2015, 05:00 PM   #280
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This is about what I was thinking. I think K5 and K6s are close. K7s feels about right.

Are you going any lower than J8s or 67s?
T8s, 97s, 86s, 65s
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Old 05-14-2015, 05:01 PM   #281
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20/40 9 handed live.

LAG open limps UTG(he will LRR 3 or 4 times a session...sometimes premium hands sometimes suited connectors or small pocket pairs), a very Laggy HJ raises, super loose Button calls, I am next with ATo in SB.
call.
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Old 05-14-2015, 08:17 PM   #282
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22 fold
33 fold
44 raise
55 raise

J8s raise
67s raise

A2o fold
A3o fold
A4o fold
A5o raise
A6o raise

K5s raise
K6s raise
K7s raise
I'm guessing you like the suited kings more than I do because of the chance we need a real multiway hand?
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Old 05-14-2015, 08:18 PM   #283
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20/40 9 handed live.

LAG open limps UTG(he will LRR 3 or 4 times a session...sometimes premium hands sometimes suited connectors or small pocket pairs), a very Laggy HJ raises, super loose Button calls, I am next with ATo in SB.
Super easy call imo. Too much hand to pitch, not enough hand to bloat, but you have plenty of muppet ranges in there to make the pot worth playing.
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Old 05-14-2015, 08:19 PM   #284
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20/40 9 handed, terrible player with 2.5 small bets left raises utg. bad player calls button with a full stack. I'm in the bb, is there any hand i can't call?
No imo.
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Old 05-14-2015, 11:27 PM   #285
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I'm guessing you like the suited kings more than I do because of the chance we need a real multiway hand?
seems reasonable.
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Old 05-15-2015, 03:22 AM   #286
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Super easy call imo. Too much hand to pitch, not enough hand to bloat, but you have plenty of muppet ranges in there to make the pot worth playing.
I like this new muppet terminology that is going around, but ewh. I don't even call AJo here. Would prefer to loosen with a bunch of suited hands than highish cards that are easily dominated.
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Old 05-15-2015, 08:21 AM   #287
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No imo.
Why is this?
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Old 05-15-2015, 10:56 AM   #288
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Why is this?
We have a kamikaze range and a guy who can't even raise said kamikaze range, getting 5.5:1 immediate. Can't imagine our equity is ever south of like 18%, and the fact that we can only have so much RIO against kamikaze, and are also aware that cold caller will only be putting in aggressive action selectively (like we aren't obligated to show down our 63o if the flop is QT3 and cold caller is sticking around), makes this a call.
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Old 05-15-2015, 05:50 PM   #289
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I like this new muppet terminology that is going around, but ewh. I don't even call AJo here. Would prefer to loosen with a bunch of suited hands than highish cards that are easily dominated.
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Old 05-15-2015, 06:41 PM   #290
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I like this new muppet terminology that is going around, but ewh. I don't even call AJo here. Would prefer to loosen with a bunch of suited hands than highish cards that are easily dominated.
Here's a good one then.

UTG opens. 3 callers. You have 85s in the SB. You?

Does total crap like 93s enter the fray with a raise and 4 callers? Since you'd probably play ATS getting 7:1 from the BB, you're now getting 7.67:1 not closing the action.

(Nothing directed at saying you wouldn't play AJo, though I think that's wrong at this price. Just random thoughts).
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Old 05-15-2015, 10:18 PM   #291
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Here's a good one then.

UTG opens. 3 callers. You have 85s in the SB. You?

Does total crap like 93s enter the fray with a raise and 4 callers? Since you'd probably play ATS getting 7:1 from the BB, you're now getting 7.67:1 not closing the action.

(Nothing directed at saying you wouldn't play AJo, though I think that's wrong at this price. Just random thoughts).
Any tells from the BB? I probably call if I don't think the BB will call and not 3-bet - you have pretty good relative position.

It's close though and if you fold, I certainly can't fault you for it.
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Old 05-15-2015, 11:48 PM   #292
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Any tells from the BB? I probably call if I don't think the BB will call and not 3-bet - you have pretty good relative position.

It's close though and if you fold, I certainly can't fault you for it.
Recently I made a call in a brewing 6 way pot w/ 84s from the SB. I thought it was somewhat spewy and marginal TBH.
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Old 05-16-2015, 08:13 AM   #293
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Here's a good one then.

UTG opens. 3 callers. You have 85s in the SB. You?

Does total crap like 93s enter the fray with a raise and 4 callers? Since you'd probably play ATS getting 7:1 from the BB, you're now getting 7.67:1 not closing the action.

(Nothing directed at saying you wouldn't play AJo, though I think that's wrong at this price. Just random thoughts).
I'm pretty sure 93s should be mucked. I'd call 86s here so 85s can't be that bad I suppose unless calling with 86s is bad.
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Old 05-16-2015, 08:19 AM   #294
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We have a kamikaze range and a guy who can't even raise said kamikaze range, getting 5.5:1 immediate. Can't imagine our equity is ever south of like 18%, and the fact that we can only have so much RIO against kamikaze, and are also aware that cold caller will only be putting in aggressive action selectively (like we aren't obligated to show down our 63o if the flop is QT3 and cold caller is sticking around), makes this a call.
I read the question wrong. I thought we weren't closing the action and the original raiser could and probably would raise again to get it all in. I'm not sure how I misread it that bad.

This is a good explanation though. Thanks!
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I like this new muppet terminology that is going around, but ewh. I don't even call AJo here. Would prefer to loosen with a bunch of suited hands than highish cards that are easily dominated.
Folding AJ is really bad
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Old 05-16-2015, 09:40 PM   #296
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I see so many posts on here like I'd rather have 85s than AJ or rather have J-10s here than AJ and its something I talk with OTR a lot and just don't get. AJ is such a better hand that 85s in almost every situation, except where players turn over there cardspreflop and one has QQ and the other has AK.

For starters, AJ has won pots unimproved at showdown, 8 high does it far less often.
The good thing about A high, is its always at least A high when its time to turn your cards over. I think a lot of people forget what this is worth (obviously far less in multiway pots but speaking more generally).
Sometimes, nobody has a better Ace, and we actually flop one, then have like 190% equity in these spots where everybody is worried about being dominated

Not to mentioned we get to realize our equity with AJ type hands far more often than 8-5s. Like when the flop comes Q-7-2 and you may check fold vs the guy that bets 2 high cards here
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Old 05-17-2015, 01:06 PM   #297
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Re: Pre flop check up posts.

Limited information:
8/16, Half Kill is on, and I am the killer in UTG+2 with Q9o. Button hasn't played a hand in the half orbit I've been at the table. I think someone limped UTG, I checked (?), the Button raises, and either the Limper (if he limped) or the BB calls. I call?
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Old 05-17-2015, 01:30 PM   #298
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Yes. I'd think hard about raising if I had to act in turn. This is close to a playable hand and if people tightened up in kill pots... I've never played anywhere that the killer doesn't have last action, so I've never had to think about the spot.

As played, you're sadly priced in. Add in that 5 hands isn't much of a read.
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Old 05-17-2015, 01:53 PM   #299
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20/40 9 handed live.

LAG open limps UTG(he will LRR 3 or 4 times a session...sometimes premium hands sometimes suited connectors or small pocket pairs), a very Laggy HJ raises, super loose Button calls, I am next with ATo in SB.
LAG opens UTG 9-handed. If we're lucky, he has ATo. If he's a bad lag, maybe he has A9s. Does HJ has a flatting range? He still chooses to 3b which is strong.

The extra SB invested is pretty minute to me. If I'm BTN with ATo/AJo, this is a fold. So I would also fold it in the SB. AJo is closer, but I'd still fold. When I say I'd rather play suited hands, I was more thinking of JQs type hands.
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Old 05-17-2015, 02:36 PM   #300
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The extra SB invested is pretty minute to me. If I'm BTN with ATo/AJo, this is a fold. So I would also fold it in the SB. AJo is closer, but I'd still fold. When I say I'd rather play suited hands, I was more thinking of JQs type hands.
thats really bad
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