+1 based on hot cold equity think folding any is wrong / -EV in long run.

Ex: All 3 easy to play post flop imo

9-handed, 4/8, rake is 10% up to $5 plus tip plus BBJ as it usually is. Typical SSHE table. 3 limpers and we're on the button with QJo.

Actually I shouldn't focus on QJo - what's our raising range there? I'm guessing we have absolutely ZERO limpalong range there.

QJ plays fine as a limp or a raise depending on opponents limping range and stickiness post flop. Thinks like 54s 65s etc can also limp as can small pairs.

I definitely don’t raise QJo, it plays poorly in big multi-way pots. But I definitely call and see a flop.

I also limp all pairs and suited connectors down to 65s.

Why wouldn’t we have a limpalong range here? There are certainly hands we want to limp that don’t play well as raises. K6s or 22 or 97s comes to mind.

At a table where it's been demonstrated that the villains will almost always check to the raiser on the flop, I've always had it in my head that you might as well raise pre and take a four-card flop, especially if you'd call one bet on most flops anyway - might as well keep the initiative. Not having a limpalong range also disguises the strength of your hand when you do raise a stronger hand. "But they're not paying attention to your range" is a response I often hear, but my response to that is they're also not paying attention to POSITION - they think that if you'll raise QJo on the button you'll also raise it UTG.

I mean there’s a lot to respond to there but the two main things that come to mind
1) some hands prefer to limp over raise, and are in fact not good enough to raise but good enough to limp. 22-44, Q7s, ATo, things of that nature
2) the four card flop concept isn’t as important in my games because people lead into the preflop raiser a lot.

If you find it is working for you, then by all means. I don’t play much 4/8 but what rare times I did the rake was much worse and I tended to play a raise or fold strategy.

Limping is overrated. Money grows on trees but +1

Let’s revive this thread

8 handed, I post behind button

Tight utg+1 raise

folds to me

What’s your 3betting range?

1. 66

2. KTs

3. ATo

4. T9s

none of these

Confused. Post behind button = post big blind in cutoff?

15/30, 2/3 structure, with one chip on the button

over 50% likely that at least one blind will call if i 3 b

tilting guy who raises a bit too much (opened A7o from EP) raises UTG+1. i have KQo OTB

15/30. very laggy game with every pot going 2-3 bets 5-6 ways

i have J9s utg

whats your bb calling range in this spot?

FR 15/30 2/3 struc

CO lag opens, asian BTN with kind of unk (def not super nitty tho) 3 betting range 3 bets.

my guess is it should be T9s+, 55+, KQo+, ATo+? (with 0% capping range?)

I 3 bet.

Fold

What is unk?

Does the CO like to WTF cap?

unknown


no

I'd cap ATs, 66+, AJo+, T8s+, KQo+

Think too tight probably cal A3s+, 55+, ATo+, 97s+, KTo+ assuming based on math / EV.

Would call lower. There's thread 200/400 level may not be applicable but math per Solvers & pros.

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/5...d-4-a-1753073/

You are giving up $$$ by not having a capping range here.

And maka, three ways small pairs suck out of position so capping 66 isn’t good unless they like to fold.

+1 ninefingershuffle. Close to 0% LAG & BTN in Mon / Sat game you play ever folding until river on most run outs vs BB 4bet

However I'm optimistic small pairs 66+ would force unknown BTN to fold vs cbets on flop or turn.

OT: I'm also set mining vs LAG & BTN by capping BB. Goal is to donate to poker eco system / ninefingershuffle

I experimented with a 0% capping range and I think just mixing in slowplays and caps with the top of range is probably better for deception.

+1 Deception great way for me cap more

OT: I'm TAG fish and have too tight of capping range IRL except vs Ninefingershuffle & Sheseasy to donate to poker eco system (o^▽^o)

Great way to cap more and call 3bets more

Thanks. IRL that's likely what I do. My range calling 3bets too narrow per my answer was Cap or Fold facing 3 bets in BB which is 99% wrong imo PS: checkraisdraw likely correct per Solver & Hot / Cold equity (Equilab)

Dear All:

Archived thread I wanted to check as not certain 2022:

*Question Synopsis*
1. Range 3/1 SB call / fold / raise
2. Range 5/2 SB call / fold / raise
3. Range 2/1 SB call / fold / raise

*Example Tldn 2007 OP*

What kind of unsuited hands do you complete in the SB in a 3/1 or 5/2 blind structure (ex. UB) when someone has open limped?

How low do you go in terms of the connecting hands and if theres another limper (two limpers) how low do you go with the unsuited hands?

I'm having difficulties figuring this out because you are still getting decent odds if there are two limpers especially in the 5/2 structure but some of the unsuited hands don't play well multiway since they aren't suited (Ax, FaceX, etc). Do you just only play unsuited cards that are connected or have only one gap and discard the Ax or FaceX (K8) type hands?

SAUCE:
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