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Old 07-21-2021, 05:24 PM   #2626
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Re: Pre flop check up posts.

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Uh no I did not nor do I ever consider past results. And I did snap 4! As stated. I just didn't like being OOP both relative and absolute multiway against ATC and all these other playérs who expect a capped multiway pot. No I don't think button has a stronger range, I'd anything the opposite. Split second considered folding cause I thought anything short of a Broadway straight and I'm just as likely to value own myself as I am to profit off tptk etc.
Tying yourself to the pot isn't really a bad thing here, right?

Maybe I'm getting too creative applying NL theory to limit, but it seems like in addition to getting so many bets in good with an equity advantage, AK likes being in postflop situations where the huge pot means you have to stay in to catch (or improve) and can't think about hero folds.

If HJ or button would fold for multiple bets back to them it's even better, of course, but either way I don't see what you're accomplishing here if everyone knows you have this strong a hand.
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Old 07-21-2021, 09:02 PM   #2627
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Uh no I did not nor do I ever consider past results. And I did snap 4! As stated. I just didn't like being OOP both relative and absolute multiway against ATC and all these other playérs who expect a capped multiway pot. No I don't think button has a stronger range, I'd anything the opposite. Split second considered folding cause I thought anything short of a Broadway straight and I'm just as likely to value own myself as I am to profit off tptk etc.
It's hard to read tone online, but you seem a tad defensive. There is no merit to considering folding and a hand as strong as AK is happy to get it in against "ATC and all these other players." I believe you that you're not being results oriented, but then if this isn't a fistpump raise for you, I think you need to work on playing in big multiway pots. It's not intended as an insult or an attack. This should be a huge +ev spot for you, and if it's not, you're doing something very wrong post.
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Old 07-21-2021, 09:07 PM   #2628
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Re: Pre flop check up posts.

It wouldn’t be a nitfold because even nits recognize that ak is too good to fold there.
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Old 07-21-2021, 09:24 PM   #2629
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Even remotely considering folding AK in any situation in LHE means that you have a catastrophic misunderstanding of poker that you need to immediately address. It sounds like you are arguing that AK will have to fold when it misses and will get sucked out on when you hit. In reality, AK wins unimproved a decent amount and can even sometimes value bet the river unimproved on good runouts. And worrying about getting sucked out on by suited stuff and sets is just silly. Ya, AK hits and loses sometimes. But it mostly just prints money when it hits. This is especially true in bloated, 4bet pots where your opponents correctly feel obligated to continue postflop with long shots. Worrying about a tricky limp-reraise from the HJ make no sense at all whatsoever. With AK, you should be quite excited about this prospect.

Straddle games are high variance chaos, but your winrate can be something ridiculous like 3+ BB/hour if you keep your cool. AK might be worth twice what it is in a normal game.
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Old 07-22-2021, 03:32 PM   #2630
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Didn't mean to come off as defensive. I was actually more shocked at my own brief consideration, but I didn't give it any more merit then that. I don't think remotely considering anything indicates a degree of or lack of understanding. Actually doing the dumb things you briefly consider would. I've considered even dumber things then that (ie folding middle set on dry board versus lag) that I don't even remember. I don't see anything wrong with asking about it in hindsight. Is this thread reserved for actual tough spots rather then second guessing something standard? I figured a truly difficult spot would warrant it's own thread. Truthfully even AJ here wouldnt have merited more then a seconds consideration.
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Old 07-22-2021, 03:38 PM   #2631
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Re: Pre flop check up posts.

Never worried about a tricky limp/reraise. People don't do that often enough to think about. Its more like any big pot where I'm positioned to never be able to close the action gives me some pause, even with alot if equity.

And I'm well aware that I'll almost never be folding postflop, improved or not. If anything that's the problem. But again, a problem lending itself a brief consideration and nothing more.
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Old 07-22-2021, 03:46 PM   #2632
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I don't see anything wrong with asking about it in hindsight. Is this thread reserved for actual tough spots rather then second guessing something standard? I figured a truly difficult spot would warrant it's own thread. Truthfully even AJ here wouldnt have merited more then a seconds consideration.
Nothing at all wrong with asking. You got your answer. But people are trying to be helpful, so if a question suggests a deeper misunderstanding, folks will point that out. And honestly, those types of a responses are a lot more helpful than someone just saying "Raise."
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Old 07-22-2021, 10:48 PM   #2633
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Two players limp in MP, it's folded to a tight button who raises, folded to me. I have 97o.

I typically fold this. Is this correct? What if there were a couple more players along for the ride. In this case I typically call.
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Old 07-22-2021, 10:52 PM   #2634
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TAG button open raises, loose passive in SB calls. I know I should have a wide calling range from the BB here. I'm curious at what point is it too wide?

75o?
96o?
Q3o?
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Old 07-22-2021, 11:14 PM   #2635
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Re: Pre flop check up posts.

In the first situation, I just always fold 97o regardless of how many players are in the pot. But I always call 45o-98o. Dunno if that is right.

In the second spot, I call 75o and 96o, but I fold Q3o. 3x is extremely difficult to play multiway.
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Old 07-23-2021, 05:50 AM   #2636
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Two players limp in MP, it's folded to a tight button who raises, folded to me. I have 97o.

I typically fold this. Is this correct? What if there were a couple more players along for the ride. In this case I typically call.
It’s close. Problem is people like to limp in 9x hands.
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Old 07-23-2021, 11:55 AM   #2637
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Re: Pre flop check up posts.

I plugged some rough ranges in and got like 18% equity for those hands . 8-1 most of time without funny business happening pre . I think it depends on how bad limpers spew post flop coupled with how much the rake deducts from our equity. I call everything but q3.
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Old 07-23-2021, 06:57 PM   #2638
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It’s close. Problem is people like to limp in 9x hands.
Hold on, we are in the big blind and getting 7 to 1? 97 is an easy call
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Old 07-23-2021, 06:58 PM   #2639
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I plugged some rough ranges in and got like 18% equity for those hands . 8-1 most of time without funny business happening pre . I think it depends on how bad limpers spew post flop coupled with how much the rake deducts from our equity. I call everything but q3.
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Old Today, 10:55 AM   #2640
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A couple loose passive calling stations limp in mp. Both will peel just about any flop and will chase to the river. It's folded to me on the button. Do you play these? The blinds are somewhat loose.

64s
K2s
9To
Q9o
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