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I agree with the 9To fold. I brought it up because I have seen some calls like this from otherwise big winning players in my game. I just wanted to make sure I haven't missed any new pre flop memos.

We are calling QJo here right? JTo in the muck?

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07-30-2022 , 06:20 PM

#2803

maka2184

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Originally Posted by mongidig

I 3 bet QJo SB vs

UTG LAG / maniac pfr, 3 cold call.

OR fold PF in SB.

Not a fan of cold calling SB at all.

OT: Bad experiences when used to prop 5/10 LHE - 10/20 LHE Cereus via 4-6 tabling 6max 9max games in which I never cold called SB unless misclicked.

OT: Per analysis on Tracker, Holdem Manager, via review by reputable pros, my leak was to not SD enough

OT: Increasing win rate in SB via filtering based on number of players, I think DonJuan, etc were only ones I've seen winning with BB/100 from SB in LHE.

OT: Think better to fold questionable hands in SB OR 3bet SB to potentially increase win rate.

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07-30-2022 , 06:38 PM

#2804

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Originally Posted by mongidig

Three players limp, LAG/TAG raises on the button.

What are you doing with ATo in the SB? BB is tight. Nobody is folding to a 3 bet.

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Originally Posted by ninefingershuffle

Ats utg

AT off I fold in the sb there but I’d three bet AtS

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Originally Posted by ninefingershuffle

Sure, but being out of position in a game where it is multiple bets pre and on flop makes it harder to realize equity.

+1 Ninefingershuffle

Think one of biggest leaks is 3 betting from SB too loose.

Based on button LAGTAG, 3 limps by fish,

Think my range on SB 3bet is:
ATs+, AJo+, KJs+, KQo+, 77+

Think AxS can be looser than ATs.
A5s+, KJo, KTs+, QJo+, 44+ bases on how bad 3 limps are & how much you crush LAGTAG on button.

OT: Ninefingershuffle should be able to 3 bet much wider range in SB vs me and/or Sheseasy that raises button, especially in leg up / kill pots after 1-3 beer + blunts / joints / bowls

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07-30-2022 , 06:53 PM

#2805

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Originally Posted by ninefingershuffle

I mean, I open 66 and kts there too

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Originally Posted by checkraisdraw

You’re posturing. There’s no way you’re this disciplined in game.

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Originally Posted by maka2184

JTs+, 77+, ATo+, KJs+

Ninefingershuffle better than Solver(S) imo as default range UTG 8 handed based on table

OT: Ninefingershuffle is crushing soft game(s) & has played in soft games in California in the past.

checkraisdraw, you're 99% right. I'm 99% of time sober when playing LHE, in those cases, I'm disciplined and play NIT TAG Fish from UTG 8 handed.

OT: For Ninefingershuffle / TAG pro of backgammon to exploit me & for me to donate to poker eco system

OT: 1% of time when I'm drinking / drunk and/or high on life from Blunts, Bowls, Brownies w Ganja, etc my VPIP & PFR may increase if I'm running great

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08-09-2022 , 01:00 PM

#2806

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Loose UTG open limps, I am next in the LJ with 89s. The CO and button are both LAG/TAGs. I probably have a tight image.

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08-09-2022 , 06:58 PM

#2807

ninefingershuffle

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No gamble no future

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08-09-2022 , 08:26 PM

#2808

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Originally Posted by ninefingershuffle

No gamble no future

+1

I'm 4 betting preflop vs CO and/or BTN 3 bet X% of times if I'm running great and/or have tight image.

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08-09-2022 , 11:43 PM

#2809

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Originally Posted by mongidig

Loose UTG open limps, I am next in the LJ with 89s. The CO and button are both LAG/TAGs. I probably have a tight image.

Raise or fold both have merit. Call seems like the worst option given who has position on you.

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08-10-2022 , 12:27 PM

#2810

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Originally Posted by mongidig

Loose UTG open limps, I am next in the LJ with 89s. The CO and button are both LAG/TAGs. I probably have a tight image.

I normally would raise this. I was watching a DC video from many years back and the well known teacher thought this was a fold given how many players were behind. I was surprised to see this. Maybe these old videos are like reading HFAP. People seem way more laggy these days. I do wonder if folks have taken it a bit too far regarding pre flop aggressiveness.

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08-10-2022 , 09:49 PM

#2811

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Originally Posted by mongidig

+1

Think old deucescracked / DC video still valid.

Not applicable to live vs DC videos all 2-4 tabling online.

OT: ninawilliams played tighter but still won 3BB/100 per data available from HUD / poker table ratings.

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08-11-2022 , 04:30 PM

#2812

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A couple limps, the CO raises his first hand at the table, Laggy players just calls on the button. I am next in the SB with ATo

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08-11-2022 , 06:07 PM

#2813

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Originally Posted by mongidig

A couple limps, the CO raises his first hand at the table, Laggy players just calls on the button. I am next in the SB with ATo

I would fold.

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08-11-2022 , 10:15 PM

#2814

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Don’t love it but getting over 9 to 1, I call here and proceed with caution

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08-15-2022 , 08:14 PM

#2815

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Originally Posted by checkraisdraw

I would fold.

+1 I 99% of time fold in SB w ATo vs CO pfr & BTN LAG cold call.

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Originally Posted by ninefingershuffle

Don’t love it but getting over 9 to 1, I call here and proceed with caution

+1 for ninefingershuffle.

ROI makes me prefer 3 betting preflop or fold preflop in SB.

Last edited by maka2184; 08-15-2022 at 08:18 PM. Reason: DonJuan #1 AINEC

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08-16-2022 , 10:58 PM

#2816

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Originally Posted by mongidig

Three players limp, LAG/TAG raises on the button.

What are you doing with ATo in the SB? BB is tight. Nobody is folding to a 3 bet.

call

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08-16-2022 , 10:58 PM

#2817

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Originally Posted by mongidig

I have played about 30 hours with the villain. He seems to have a very tight range. I haven't seen him raise a hand from any position worse than AJs. If he 3 bets pre it is AK or a big pair and he will cap with these even HU. He does seem to open raise a decent amount and I would think he has worse hands that I just haven't seen. He always puts people on monster hands in 3 and 4 bet pots based on his table talk which indicates to me he too would have a strong range here. His frequency of opening and 3 betting pre doesn't jive with the hands I see him show down. His raising frequency would indicate a wider range. I suppose it's possible that when I have played with him he has just run well. Based on what I have seen and what is a pretty small sample size how do you adjust pre flop against such a player?

1) He opens on the button, I have KQo in the SB. BTW I think his range is the same on the button as it is UTG from what I have seen. Again, we are talking a small sample size. Is this one of those fold but don't tell anybody on the forum type of hands?

2) He opens in the CO and I have 9cTc on the button. This is an interesting scenario where my equity against him is trash but there is a reasonable chance I could get him off of Ace high at some point in the hand on certain flops.

if your read is right, just fold both

id rather 3bet the KQo though. 9Tc has no high card blockers. also not sure how your game plays but in mine getting blinds to fold is impossible even facing reraises, and i dont want to play T9s in a 3 bet (or 4 bet) pot 3 or 4 ways.

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08-16-2022 , 10:59 PM

#2818

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Originally Posted by mongidig

A couple limps, the CO raises his first hand at the table, Laggy players just calls on the button. I am next in the SB with ATo

call

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08-18-2022 , 12:34 PM

#2819

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Originally Posted by mongidig

Loose UTG open limps, I am next in the LJ with 89s. The CO and button are both LAG/TAGs. I probably have a tight image.

raising is ok but i like limping better.

loose or not i dont think you're beating UTG's range by much if it all, you dont have much FE in this position, and its quite a parlay to have CO and button both fold to your raise it sounds like. however you have too much hand to fold.

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08-20-2022 , 11:48 AM

#2820

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A very loose player open limps UTG, A nitty TAG raises next in, It's folded to me in the BB. Are you calling these?

9To?
98o?
78o?
67o?
56o?
45o?

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08-20-2022 , 06:02 PM

#2821

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Originally Posted by mongidig

A very loose player open limps UTG, A nitty TAG raises next in, It's folded to me in the BB. Are you calling these?

9To?
98o?
78o?
67o?
56o?
45o?

probably fold 56o and 45o

67o is borderline

Last edited by NittyOldMan1; 08-20-2022 at 06:15 PM.

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08-20-2022 , 11:36 PM

#2822

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Originally Posted by mongidig

A very loose player open limps UTG, A nitty TAG raises next in, It's folded to me in the BB. Are you calling these?

9To?
98o?
78o?
67o?
56o?
45o?

Probably down to 78.

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08-21-2022 , 03:19 AM

#2823

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Originally Posted by mongidig

A very loose player open limps UTG, A nitty TAG raises next in, It's folded to me in the BB. Are you calling these?

9To?
98o?
78o?
67o?
56o?
45o?

Yes.

I'm calling 100% in BB.

No gamble / no future

OT: Sheseasy won phenomenal hand(s) this week with 83o in Kill BB vs Limp Reraise PF by Loose fish / whale > Flop 83x > c/r field by Sheseasy > won unimproved because no gamble no future

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08-22-2022 , 11:53 AM

#2824

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20/40 half kill. The killer is on the button.

TAG CO opens, the button calls, folded to me in the BB. I have J9o. In a normal raise situation this is an easy call. Does the kill change things much now that I have to call an additional 20 to see the flop or is this still an easy call?

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08-22-2022 , 11:58 AM

#2825

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It’s just math. You are getting 3.5 to 1. So if you normally call J9 getting that price, then call, the kill is irrelevant. The only catch should be the killer’s range should be pretty trashy since he did not 3 bet

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