I like it because four way pots suck.

I just fold. I don't really over limp after one player with the exception of being in EP with a bunch of loose/passive players behind.

In this spot, I'd rather try to isolate the limper with the hopes of going HU with him or 3 way with the limper and BB. In that case, I'd like to have a stronger range and 22 isn't a part of it.

spot last night in my local 10/20 game that brought some criticism from a friend.

while the game is typically very loose passive with multi-way pots galore, this particular hand will certainly play shorthanded. 3 handed at most.

I'm in the BB w/ 77. Folds around to the CO who open limps. CO is a typical player in the game, very loose passive. Limping range is pocket pairs lower than tens, unsuited broadways, most suited connectors and suited one gaps about 57s. Folded to SB who raises. SB is typically a LAG - today he has been a little tighter than normal but he is very aggressive and if he's paying attention (and i think he is) I've been folding a lot of hands, as I'm card dead.

The question: is this an instant 3!

Yes, this is a real quick 3. You are way ahead of his range and it is wonderful if it manages to get heads up.

Can't 3 bet fast enough.


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Ya three betting is really sweet IMO.

Sometimes passives limp/fold to three bets, when it happens you get an equity edge with dead money and position all at once, kind of like Chocolate-Vanilla-Strawberry ice-cream.

It never happens if you just call.

3 bets FTW!

Im the criticizer. I agree with all responses in that 77 obv will play WAY better HU vs SBs range + dead CO money. I know both Villians, obv my reads influenced my advice. My opinion was that several things had to go right to not be hating life: 1) CO has to fold, my read is he calls 2 far more often than folding. 2) You don't want a 4! from SB, playing a capped 3-way pot 2nd to act with 77 blows. My sim has Hero at 35%, SB at 40%, and CO at 25%. Hard to capture that equity in the middle of the action.

While I don't think it's a slam-dunk call, I do think there is merit in considering a call at 5:1 with the combination of an unlikely fold from CO, 4! potential from SB, and meh position.

In a vacuum, easy 3! Flame away.

Even if the loose passive player is calling, you still 3 bet. It's an equity spot.


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No

It's time to 3 bet.


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Yawn. Calling is not out of the question given the players involved. Hero doesn't have a huge equity advantage 3-way and it gets worse with every bet going in PF. Much of COs share of equity will go to Hero (plus his positional equity) only if he folds, which I feel he won't.

77 vs a random limper and an Aggro sb ISO raise?

Yes we have tons of equity here.

What is the smallest PP you are snap 3 betting here?


One more thing, rodeo calls me a pre flop pussy and I'm snap 3 betting here. If that says anything.


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Moreover, people act like a fish limp/taking 2 to the face with his crap hand is a bad thing when we have 77?

Of course we do, we still have position on raiser and an equity edge. cold calling is an obvious mistake.

3-betting the 77 100% and I'd do that expecting the limper to fold pretty rarely. If SB is observant, as seems to be the case, he should be raising pretty wide here. He's far more likely to have a hand that was simply trying to isolate a bad limper than to have a hand he can cap OOP against a perceived tight 3-bettor.

Also, your sim is way off based on op description, no way a LAG isolating a limper has anything but a wide range. It's more like

(Equity, Win, Tie)
Player 1: 25.1% 24.3% 1.62% {99-22, AJs-A2s, K2s+, Q2s+, J2s+, T2s+, 92s+, 82s+, 72s+, 62s+, 52s+, 42s+, 32s, ATo-A2o, KJo-K2o, Q9o+, J9o+, T8o+, 98o, 87o} [Loose limper]

Player 2: 35.8% 35.0% 1.64% {22+, A2s+, K8s+, Q9s+, J9s+, T8s+, 98s, 87s, 76s, A4o+, KTo+, QTo+, JTo}

Player 3: 39.1% 38.8% 0.76% [7h7c]

In the rare cases you get 4 bet you still have position and an excellent idea of what LAGs now narrowed range is so you get to play super optimally against it.

And lags might 4ber light here. Knowing you are three betting light.


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Is 77's maybe 66's the bottom of our 3 betting range assuming we think the CO will call?

If we think CO will fold a fair amount of time then we should 3 bet 22's?

55+

22 is too weak. Really, we want hands that stand to get some value from limper's range, but we also prefer it if the limper folds. We're self-owning by three betting 22; we might have like 3/7ths equity in the pot against SB range, which makes our value proposition neutral if we're HU and pretty awful if called (~25% 3 ways would be my guess). 55 is much closer to flipping against SB and we're about even money 3 ways if limper calls.

So 22-55=call? These were my thoughts also but i had 66/77 at the very top of my calling range (only due to extensive history w/the limpers range.)



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I think jdr explains it much better than I do but my default 3! range for PPs in this situation starts with 55. Whether or not to call/raise against specific villains depends much more than the range they open from the SB and you will have the best knowledge of that.

40-80 game

3 off the button raises (no reads, seems solid)

folds to me a-8o in small blind

im pretty happy to 3bet here against the button or cutoff, but im not sure here. folding cant be right, so is this a 3 bet?

*****

i end up calling and the BB calls.

flop Q-2-9 two spades, i have the ace of spades

I check, BB checks, raiser bets.

Is anyone peeling the flop?

This is an easy, easy fold pre flop. Calling is the worst option. If you're 3 betting this hand vs a CO open from the SB, that's a concern as well. I wouldn't 3 bet A8o vs a CO if i were the BTN unless I had a reason to believe CO was opening too wide and plays horribly post flop.

As played, may as well peel flop.