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Originally Posted by rodeo
You're missing my overall point by focusing too much on a very small part of my argument. Maybe saying that AJo and KQo play "well" in multiway pots is overstating and I should've said they play "fine" in multiway pots. But that's not the point of my post. The point is that if you're willing to raise pre flop UTG with AJo and KQo when we have zero information about their hands and everyone left to act now has the option to call or reraise, but you are unwilling to raise them in a similar spot when many players have limped to you in the SB, which gives us plenty of information, then I think your using faulty logic.
When raising UTG, we have no idea what the people behind us will have. Initially, we raise because we're trying to win the blinds. But anyone that's played LHE for more than a few hours knows that is an unlikely scenario. So we have to tighten our raising range to include hands that are profitable in not only the most likely of circumstances (we raise, one or two players call, one or both of the blinds call, and we see a flop multiway), but in every circumstance. The great thing about having AJo or KQo in the SB after 6 limpers is that, in most cases, the limpers have given us some useful information about their hands by refusing to raise. It's likely they've got poor hands and we're going to have a pretty big equity advantage and our hand plays fine in multiway pots. So that's why I raise both AJo and KQo in the SB after 6 limpers.
YMMV
I'm always a bit torn about raising big offsuit hands in the blinds like this (re your example of raising AJo and KQo in the SB after 6 limpers). I understand we have an equity advantage preflop, but by pushing it, doesn't that put us at more of a equity disadvantage postflop, if we flop just top pair? Giving gutshots and middle/bottom pairs better odds to draw out on us, etc.
I know this is an age-old argument--- just wondering if current limit hold'em theory now says that pushing preflop equity should trump everything else.
I recently was reading Barry Tanenbaum's "Advanced Limit Hold'em" book, and he recommends not bloating the pot if you have AK, QQ, or JJ in the blinds, since it makes people more correct to draw out on your postflop. He does recommend raising there with AA and KK, and also (oddly) with small pairs (I guess on the assumption you have to make a set with them anyway).
So his theory is at odds with the Ed Miller theory (as I understand it) in SSHE that you should push your preflop equity edge and not worry about it. Not sure how modern players deal with these two theories which are at odd with each other.