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01-28-2016 , 02:39 PM
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Originally Posted by mongidig
This is an interesting spot. Do you think any of the limpers will fold to a 4 bet? I'm thinking no.

What should the buttons 3 bet range be here?
I think this is a good question that can lead to lots of profits. I'd probably 3 bet with 77+, A8s+, ATo+, K9s+, KJo+, Q9s+, J9s+, T9s, 98s.
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01-29-2016 , 05:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Bob148
I'd check. Even when 77 makes an overpair, the board will be low and coordinated, which is right in your opponents' ranges. You're just gonna end up checking tons of flops if you raise anyways so might as well check.
I'm surprised that you check here.

I think this is a pretty standard raise.
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01-30-2016 , 10:40 PM
Fun one for you guys: 3 handed OL 15. BTN is a massive aggro fish; generally plays raise or fold preflop outside of blinds, but does like to limp button from time to time. When he does, he usually shows down hands like decent offsuit Broadways (KTo, QJo, etc), some occasional trash, and occasionally slowplays AA/KK/AK. This is more important as to what we discount when he takes his normal raising action. Often 4 bets when his button open gets three bet, and often times it is to check back the flop.

SB is an expert who has years of history with BTN.

BTN opens, SB 3 bets. What are you guys doing with:

33
A8s
KJo
JTs
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01-30-2016 , 11:28 PM
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Originally Posted by mongidig
I'm surprised that you check here.

I think this is a pretty standard raise.
I raise here too because this hand is pretty easy to play and stands to have an equity edge on the field. Plus, flopping a set in a 14 small bet pot is way more cool than flopping one in a 7 bet pot.
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01-31-2016 , 12:11 PM
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Originally Posted by jdr0317
Fun one for you guys: 3 handed OL 15. BTN is a massive aggro fish; generally plays raise or fold preflop outside of blinds, but does like to limp button from time to time. When he does, he usually shows down hands like decent offsuit Broadways (KTo, QJo, etc), some occasional trash, and occasionally slowplays AA/KK/AK. This is more important as to what we discount when he takes his normal raising action. Often 4 bets when his button open gets three bet, and often times it is to check back the flop.

SB is an expert who has years of history with BTN.

BTN opens, SB 3 bets. What are you guys doing with:

33
A8s
KJo
JTs
I would call all of them. If the button caps, we can donk improvement. The SB may start donking more which gives us information. If the button just calls, its not like we are losing too much value by not capping. I would call my whole range in this dynamic.

I think folding 33's might be wise depending on how often button caps.
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01-31-2016 , 02:42 PM
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Originally Posted by jdr0317
I raise here too because this hand is pretty easy to play and stands to have an equity edge on the field. Plus, flopping a set in a 14 small bet pot is way more cool than flopping one in a 7 bet pot.
I could say the same about 22 in that spot. So where do we draw the line? Way back when, I used to bloat the pot from any position with any pocket pair facing 5+ limpers but have since tightened up obviously. Perhaps I've tightened up too much.

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BTN opens, SB 3 bets. What are you guys doing with:

33
A8s
KJo
JTs
I would also call all of them.
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01-31-2016 , 05:41 PM
I'd fold 33
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02-13-2016 , 10:13 AM
Live 20/40 9 handed.

Assume HJ is a good TAG.

HJ opens, folded to us in BB. I'm gonna throw out some hands that I may defend with. Some may be too tight and some may be too loose. Just curious if these are reasonable defends or would you tighten or loosen up. Thanks!

T7s, 56s, 9To, A2o, K2s, Q6s
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02-13-2016 , 12:11 PM
Three for sure vs 20% range, A2o, K2s, 65s. T7s and T9o seem fine. Q6s might pass. Depends on how taggy your tag is -- ime, live players are less prepositionally aware than online ones, so HJ = CO and he's opening 25% or 30% instead of the expected 20% from a "TAG".

Been so long since I played SH, not sure if this is right any more.
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02-13-2016 , 12:25 PM
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Originally Posted by DougL
Three for sure vs 20% range, A2o, K2s, 65s. T7s and T9o seem fine. Q6s might pass. Depends on how taggy your tag is -- ime, live players are less prepositionally aware than online ones, so HJ = CO and he's opening 25% or 30% instead of the expected 20% from a "TAG".

Been so long since I played SH, not sure if this is right any more.
Hi jack live does feel like it's a later position to me. I have to be careful sometimes.
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02-13-2016 , 12:29 PM
After doing the micros stats threads for years, you see that players transitioning from live tend to be flatter than people who learned to play online. You'll have a guy who is tighter overall who is much looser in EP. It also seems like "late position" happens HJ, CO, BTN sort of as a lump for some people. Maybe that's a function of boredom? At the casino you see some guy you think of as a bit nitty opening HJ with some hand you don't think he BTN opens. Then you wonder how he can appear so tight if he plays that.
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02-13-2016 , 01:18 PM
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Originally Posted by mongidig
Live 20/40 9 handed.

Assume HJ is a good TAG.

HJ opens, folded to us in BB. I'm gonna throw out some hands that I may defend with. Some may be too tight and some may be too loose. Just curious if these are reasonable defends or would you tighten or loosen up. Thanks!

T7s, 56s, 9To, A2o, K2s, Q6s
A2o - always call against anyone you think has a good preflop strat in the HJ.

After that they're all on the weaker side of "it depends" but no clear folds. Against me its K2s>T7s/Q6s/65s>T9o
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02-13-2016 , 01:25 PM
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Originally Posted by DougL
At the casino you see some guy you think of as a bit nitty opening HJ with some hand you don't think he BTN opens. Then you wonder how he can appear so tight if he plays that.
Once upon a time I sat in a 4/8 game and took my big blind. I took the first four pots with strong hands at showdown and this one guy was getting pissed off about it. He didn't play a hand the whole first orbit but he certainly did his share of complaining about not getting cards to play. Then my blind came around again and he raised from early position. Folds to me and I fold some crappy hand thinking he must have a monster. Nope, he shows 53s.

I'd call all of those hands.
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02-16-2016 , 11:21 PM
I wouldn't even consider folding any of them.
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02-17-2016 , 02:44 PM
20/40 live 9 handed.

HJ...very loose and passive

Button..very good TAG..he has been isoing the HJ and other limpers a ton. I've seen hands like T7s in his ISO range. It's been working because I have been card dead and BB doesn't always defend.

BB....average reg.

HJ open limps, folded to button who raises, I am next in the SB. What do you do with these hands? K7s, 66, 22, A8o, 76s
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02-18-2016 , 05:39 PM
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Originally Posted by mongidig
20/40 live 9 handed.

HJ...very loose and passive

Button..very good TAG..he has been isoing the HJ and other limpers a ton. I've seen hands like T7s in his ISO range. It's been working because I have been card dead and BB doesn't always defend.

BB....average reg.

HJ open limps, folded to button who raises, I am next in the SB. What do you do with these hands? K7s, 66, 22, A8o, 76s

fold
raise
fold
raise
fold

move seats
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02-19-2016 , 02:26 PM
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Originally Posted by TheHip41
fold
raise
fold
raise
fold

move seats
thanks!

Do you have a calling range here at all?
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02-21-2016 , 01:38 AM
Prob stuff like QTs. T9s.
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02-24-2016 , 05:32 PM
Bad lag opens on the button, good TAG in SB 3 bets. I'm in the BB I call my whole continuing range here. What would be the bottom of your range here? I'll throw out what I'm thinking. A9o, 78s, A2s, KJo, 22

Now change things too bad lag opens in CO, good TAG button 3 bets, and it's folded to me in BB. How much should I tighten up?
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02-29-2016 , 01:20 AM
Never seen UTG before but seems to play reasonable pf over small sample... 40-80 and kill is on (killer is BB). UTG raises and folds to me, I look up and see he put out 80 rather than 120 so it's treated as a limp, we have he following hands on the button....A-10o, A9o and 55-88..... (Had A9o hand in question)
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02-29-2016 , 10:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Jon_locke
Never seen UTG before but seems to play reasonable pf over small sample... 40-80 and kill is on (killer is BB). UTG raises and folds to me, I look up and see he put out 80 rather than 120 so it's treated as a limp, we have he following hands on the button....A-10o, A9o and 55-88..... (Had A9o hand in question)
So he was obviously attempting to raise but didn't realize it was a kill? Whats the read on the BB?

I'm definately not raising and reopening the action with these hands. Would it look suspicious if you just over limped?

I would fold the Aces . You have been given free info regarding the UTG's range and it's not looking good for you. One of the blinds could raise not realizing UTG's intended to raise. Maybe it was obvious but maybe not.

Maybe over limping with the pairs makes sense if you don't think either of the blinds will raise. You do have some nice implied odds if you hit a set assuming you can get in cheaply, it's a kill pot and the UTG's apparent strong range.
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02-29-2016 , 04:40 PM
Folding A-10o is tough here. If an expert was UTG sure or somebody that had a defined tight range but you just get shown K-10o and 33 so much here that every option is enticing.
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02-29-2016 , 07:08 PM
I like calling with the ATo and folding the A9o. I feel like ATo is quite a bit stronger than A9o here. I really like calling with the 88-55.
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03-03-2016 , 09:22 PM
Live 20.

Tight Older Asian guy opens UTG...I figure him for top ten percentish maybe slightly wider. The next guy to act is an older bad reg who calls(cold calls, limps, st forward, no hand reading, etc.) he does have a 3 bet range pre and it's pretty tight. It's folded to me in HJ and I have KdQd. The CO, button, and SB are solid TAGs. The BB is average reg.

How do you proceed here?
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03-04-2016 , 12:14 PM
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Originally Posted by mongidig
Bad lag opens on the button, good TAG in SB 3 bets. I'm in the BB I call my whole continuing range here. What would be the bottom of your range here? I'll throw out what I'm thinking. A9o, 78s, A2s, KJo, 22

Now change things too bad lag opens in CO, good TAG button 3 bets, and it's folded to me in BB. How much should I tighten up?
Toss 22 call the rest. Folding JK is really bad.
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