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Old 04-20-2019, 02:27 PM   #1
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Standard flop bet/cap?

Live 8-16. Very loose table. Often 5-6 to flop. Mostly total calling stations that can't raise 2nd nuts on late street.

Hero dealt 24 in the BB

Pre-flop:
UTG+1 limps
UTG+2 limps
MP limps
HJ limps
CO raises
BTN cold calls
Hero calls in BB knowing EP players have no limp reraise range.
Limpers all call

Flop: 14 small bets
235
Hero bets
UTG+1 calls
UTG+2 calls
MP raises
HJ fold
CO 3!
BTN folds
Hero caps?

I'm pretty sure at least one of the UTGs is coming along and I have a pair plus open ended straight flush draw. A 6 could fill a gutshot for the nuts and if someone has a set my two outs are no good. But most of these players are paying way to much to peel flops with one over, I feel like it's time to push edge.
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Old 04-20-2019, 02:43 PM   #2
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Re: Standard flop bet/cap?

Tough spot. I would play it the same way. Flop is close between a cap and a call.
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Old 04-22-2019, 11:30 AM   #3
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Re: Standard flop bet/cap?

I would call the flop 3 bet, hoping to check raise a turned straight or flush and face the limpers with two bets on the turn.

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Mostly total calling stations that can't raise 2nd nuts on late street.
What does this tell you about their flop raise/3bet ranges?

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Pre-flop:
UTG+1 limps
UTG+2 limps
MP limps
HJ limps
CO raises
BTN cold calls
Hero calls in BB knowing EP players have no limp reraise range.
Limpers all call
This action would never happen in a tough game; asking what to do on the flop is analogous to asking how much gravy do I want on my turkey. Just don't fold and you will be earning ev that would not be yours in a tough game.
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Old 04-22-2019, 11:46 AM   #4
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Re: Standard flop bet/cap?

MP raise was odd, hard time raising late street but raise draws on early street can happen so I think some of my outs could be tainted by this guy. CO looks like an overpair having to make a 3 bet or fold decision and correctly decides to fight for this pot. He's not one of the stations, more of a LAG.
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Old 04-22-2019, 11:24 PM   #5
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Re: Standard flop bet/cap?

I just call here to try to pad my draw. I don't want to isolate myself against the stronger hand ranges. Tough spot since your outs are likely tainted but you can't fold.

call>raise>fold
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Old Yesterday, 06:24 PM   #6
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This action would never happen in a tough game; asking what to do on the flop is analogous to asking how much gravy do I want on my turkey. Just don't fold and you will be earning ev that would not be yours in a tough game.
I mean it is a great draw but with so many people in there it looks better than it really is. Also just because a situation doesnít come up in a tought game doesnít mean itís not worth discussing.
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Old Yesterday, 06:48 PM   #7
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Re: Standard flop bet/cap?

Donít mind me. I just like making silly analogies.
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Old Yesterday, 07:33 PM   #8
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Re: Standard flop bet/cap?

just cap it, i doubt anybody is folding anything.
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Old Yesterday, 07:35 PM   #9
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face the limpers with two bets on the turn.

no one is betting a worse hand for you on the turn. you wont be able to raise a bet vs. a hand you're ahead of if you hit.
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Old Yesterday, 07:43 PM   #10
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Re: Standard flop bet/cap?

if we cap are we setting up a bluff? seems pointless to me.
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if we cap are we setting up a bluff? seems pointless to me.
you have an equity edge. its a value bet the same way that raising pocket aces preflop is a value bet. for each dollar you put it in here you get more than a dollar back, like an investment.
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Old Yesterday, 08:28 PM   #12
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Donít mind me. I just like making silly analogies.
It's cool. I didn't feel like I was being told to shut up or anything. I enjoyed the "how much gravy do I want on my turkey" comment.

Playing these loose/wild games is a different kind of tough. To me at least.
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Old Yesterday, 08:29 PM   #13
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you have an equity edge. its a value bet the same way that raising pocket aces preflop is a value bet. for each dollar you put it in here you get more than a dollar back, like an investment.
This is exactly why I capped.
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