8-16. It's a "kill pot" and the "kill" is 4off who checks. 3off a very loose and fairly aggressive player raises. You're the cutoff with KQo and have posted a big blind.

1) Do you fold, call or 3-bet?

I 3-bet and folded back to 3off who four bets it. I call and flop comes Q83 mixed.

2) 3off bets, do you call or raise?

Line one, you raise the flop and 3off 3-bets. Assuming you don't improve or an ace comes, on most common runouts do you call them down?

Line two, do you just call them down?

I’d three bet preflop. As played, call flop.

Don't post in a kill pot.

I would call down and only raise if I hit a queen. K is close I would still probably just call. If checked to at any point I would bet.


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You’ve got to raise top 2.

Targeting aces aq and ak specifically? How many people are 3betting flop in a 4bet pot with ak?


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Didn’t flop go bet/call?

he said that he raised the flop and they 3bet?


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I didn't say which one I did. I asked what should I do and then posed two potential lines.

Lack of patience there. More target money for aggressive players to go after and makes hands harder to play. (that is regarding posting in a "kill pot")

1) Easy 3 bet. You're getting a discount on the price because you have money already dead in the pot, and there's more money to fight for thanks to the kill. Plus, you want to deny the killer equity. Plus, KQo is a decent hand.

2) This is too vague. Like what are you doing with the flop raise? I don't even know if it's for value or as a semibluff. Raising K32 is significantly different than like KJ8 as well.

Edit: Sorry you did post the flop.

So I'd like to know if this guy is "actually" loose aggressive, or just loose aggressive by OP's standards (as in he rarely limps, has a huge PFR). I know a lot of dudes who love to mash the raise button preflop and then play conservative after that with anything less than a monster (like one dude I used to play would raise like 70% but only 4 bet aces).

I don't think there's a huge EV difference between clicking call three times and going for a raise.

Would this player 4-bet AK or TT before the flop? JJ? AQ? If he's "very loose" and "fairly aggressive" I'm thinking yes.

The action was heads up on the flop, right? If so, I am definitely showing down top pair. I'm not raising unless I hit top two or better. That way I lose the minimum when I'm beat and let him barrel off hands that I beat.