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06-19-2008 , 10:14 PM

alphonso_tenth

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2-4 live. Typical game--7 or 8 to flop generally. Not much aggression post flop, but it virtually never checks through. I have pocket 3's UTG. I call. Six see the flop (including the BB). Flop comes 2 2 6 (rainbow). Hero?

Thanks,
Al

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06-19-2008 , 10:19 PM

afraziaaaa

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On the flop check/call. You have zero fold equity and you want players to fold which they will not. Hope you spike a three on the turn.

The only time I ever played live 2/4 was in Las Vegas. I was getting looked up with K high, getting check-raised with K8o, getting called down with nothing, so I pretty much had to wait until I had a strong hand and just put in every single bet and raise i possibly could. That said, what are you going to do if you bet the flop, get called and say an A, K, or some other card that is higher than your 3s comes?

Pre-flop, fold.

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06-19-2008 , 11:01 PM

Man of Means

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Preflop I limp in. The low postflop aggression isn't ideal for making a monster pot but with 7-8 to the flop and a bunch of callers when you hit your set, you get a nice price.

Flop - Check and see. You can probably fold if it comes back raised or consider check-raising a late position bet. Depending on who it is, etc.

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06-20-2008 , 09:21 AM

alphonso_tenth

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OK, I definitely screwed this up (as I expected) because I bet. Three people fold (including the BB). So I now have two callers. The turn is a 4, putting two spades on the board. Should I fire again?

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06-20-2008 , 09:25 AM

KitCloudkicker

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Originally Posted by afraziaaaa

Pre-flop, fold.

in live 2/4 this is bad advice

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06-20-2008 , 10:34 AM

BeakWetter

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Originally Posted by alphonso_tenth

OK, I definitely screwed this up (as I expected) because I bet. Three people fold (including the BB). So I now have two callers. The turn is a 4, putting two spades on the board. Should I fire again?

I would as the last money I put into the pot UI.

And PF is a limp every time with this line up.

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06-20-2008 , 10:40 AM

Grease

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Not calling PF is a huge leak.

I probably donk the flop and see what happens, but I'm not a huge fan of C/Cing because we'll likely only have 2 outs if we're behind and they'll have a boatload if they're drawing.

C/Fing is ok too, I think. Against LP players, play lots of hands and when you hit something good, valuebet it relentlessly. You didn't here, so folding and moving on is fine too.

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06-20-2008 , 11:35 AM

James.

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i'd probably bet the flop.

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06-20-2008 , 12:31 PM

jesse8888

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Originally Posted by afraziaaaa

Pre-flop, fold.

Wat? call preflop, flop set, take monies. if you don't flop a set, fold. betting >>>>> check/calling

The problem with betting as the last money you put into the pot is that you will NEVER take this pot down. If you're going to bet the flop, you have to be committed to firing the turn again if you do manage to narrow the field to a reasonable number.

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06-20-2008 , 02:23 PM

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Hair_of_the_Dog

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I'd call pf, c/r a btn bet on the flop, c/f pretty much any earlier bet on the flop.
Why do you guys like to call a flop bet other than a btn (or late position) bet?

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06-20-2008 , 02:32 PM

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Man of Means

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Originally Posted by Hair_of_the_Dog

I'd call pf, c/r a btn bet on the flop, c/f pretty much any earlier bet on the flop.
Why do you guys like to call a flop bet other than a btn (or late position) bet?

Oh, because this is exactly the type of game where some players limp AK-AJ and then decide it's safe to bet it on a dry low card flop like this one. not saying that's what a bet equates to, but their betting range is certainly more than 6x, 2x, and pocket pairs.
I have no problem with c/f especially if it goes bet, call, call.

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06-20-2008 , 02:54 PM

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DeuceKicker

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I tend to bet these flops often, and agree that b/f or c/f >>>>>>>>>> c/c.

If I did check, and someone wants to try to steal this pot with A-high, they can have it. I'm not going to war with 33 as my bluff catcher, dodging almost all of the deck.

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06-20-2008 , 03:07 PM

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mikeca

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Preflop limping UTG in a loose passive game is fine. Don't try this in a tight, aggressive game, but that is not live 2/4.

In a loose passive game you have to play small pocket pairs for set value. Nobody is folding anything, and you cannot even assume that a 2 2 6 flop missed everyone else. Flop a set or fold, unless somehow the pot got huge. Here if you check, the pot will probably be ~10 SB and that is too small to chase, so c/f the flop.

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06-20-2008 , 10:54 PM

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alphonso_tenth

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Thanks for all the replies so far. This hand and a couple others that I had recently have gotten me think about playing pocket pairs which are second best after the flop. Obviously, there are lots of factors involved, but does anyone have any general advice? I don't feel entirely comfortable in this situation, but it seems to happen to me a fair bit.

Thanks again,
Al

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