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01-23-2013 , 02:55 PM
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Originally Posted by antneye
if any of you are the notorious RTR on merge I am going to be ticked off
+1. I have my hitlist of potential 2p2ers on Merge. At one point, I typed 'sup' to ny in chat, and RTR/someone on my list said 'bro'. How interesting...
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03-28-2013 , 10:58 PM


Filtered for 5-6. I've made significant changes this year and I know I'm under 10k but I feel like donkey ****. Thoughts?

Last edited by Breich; 03-28-2013 at 11:06 PM.
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03-28-2013 , 11:15 PM
I'd like to see a little higher vpip on the button. Your steal is high enough, but I think that if you're purposefully sitting to the left of lags, then you'll be shut out of pots more often. This may not be a bad thing if you're good against lags. On the other hand, if you have fish to your right, you should have a much higher vpip.
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03-29-2013 , 10:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Breich


Filtered for 5-6. I've made significant changes this year and I know I'm under 10k but I feel like donkey ****. Thoughts?

my only thoughts are that I am right there with you and trying to work through another bad start to the year. Keep grinding. it looks to me like you took your tourney cash and moved up a bit too quickly. I dropped down again to work through my troubles and maybe you should too?
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03-29-2013 , 02:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Breich
Filtered for 5-6. I've made significant changes this year and I know I'm under 10k but I feel like donkey ****. Thoughts?
Am I reading right that you are defending your BB 75%? It seems like you gap is a little wide, but I'm guessing that is due to defending your BB so much. Really awesome HUHU players might defend this much or even slightly more. You can learn stuff playing these tough spots, but I don't think it will help your WR in the short term. Could also be variance -- you're getting slightly more playable hands in BB than average?
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03-29-2013 , 11:41 PM
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Originally Posted by DougL
Am I reading right that you are defending your BB 75%? It seems like you gap is a little wide, but I'm guessing that is due to defending your BB so much. Really awesome HUHU players might defend this much or even slightly more. You can learn stuff playing these tough spots, but I don't think it will help your WR in the short term. Could also be variance -- you're getting slightly more playable hands in BB than average?
Yeah that 75% surprised me. Looks like I have something to tighten up.
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03-30-2013 , 08:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Breich
Yeah that 75% surprised me. Looks like I have something to tighten up.
With the exceptions being if you can check raise the flop and barrel middle pairs for value, or if you can bluff successfully enough to make frequent flop check raises and barrel without getting owned. If either is true, then I think defending that wide is good. If neither is true, then you should probably tighten up.
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03-30-2013 , 03:20 PM
You have rake issues, even maybe up to 5/T. Skill gap can make up for a lot, but you're still OOP with a marginal holding. Being an amazing HUHU player will help you have a skill advantage on more players, but out of position there's only so much you can do.
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03-30-2013 , 11:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Breich


Filtered for 5-6. I've made significant changes this year and I know I'm under 10k but I feel like donkey ****. Thoughts?
try hitting .... c-bet flop more?

your river c-bet also looks a bit high to me - either a sign of getting paid off well + running hot, very foldy opponents (i don't see many at the stakes you play or played) or **** river plays imo.

you could probably loosen up a pip or three preflop.

i think your SB steal might be a little on the high side - really depends on the type/quality of player in BB.

Last edited by anfernee; 03-30-2013 at 11:32 PM.
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04-01-2013 , 12:54 AM
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Originally Posted by DougL
Am I reading right that you are defending your BB 75%? It seems like you gap is a little wide, but I'm guessing that is due to defending your BB so much. Really awesome HUHU players might defend this much or even slightly more. You can learn stuff playing these tough spots, but I don't think it will help your WR in the short term. Could also be variance -- you're getting slightly more playable hands in BB than average?
My FBBtS is 25% 5-6 handed this year as well - loss rate of -11.5BB/100.
When I'm seat selecting well, I find that BB defense% could also be inflated by having a cold-call happy SB.

Only 2k hands of BB play 5-6 handed though through couple of different stakes - probably not even worth discussing?
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04-01-2013 , 11:39 AM
I'd filter for BB hands where you VP$IP preflop and then look at your card strength chart. Look at the worst hands you're defending there, and then review the hands for yourself in the replayer. Are you in horrible spots or good ones? This is the proper technique for most stats review -- use the stats to recommend sets of hands to review, review the hands, and then decide if you have a fundamental issue with your game. Chasing your foldsBBtoSteal% stat is lame. Using it to find that you're overcalling a lot of J6o hands and losing your shirt with them is the stuff.
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04-01-2013 , 02:44 PM
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Originally Posted by DougL
I'd filter for BB hands where you VP$IP preflop and then look at your card strength chart. Look at the worst hands you're defending there, and then review the hands for yourself in the replayer. Are you in horrible spots or good ones? This is the proper technique for most stats review -- use the stats to recommend sets of hands to review, review the hands, and then decide if you have a fundamental issue with your game. Chasing your foldsBBtoSteal% stat is lame. Using it to find that you're overcalling a lot of J6o hands and losing your shirt with them is the stuff.
I can't disagree with you here and it's an approach I've used/advocated when looking for holes in my game or when I've hit rough patches in the past.
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04-01-2013 , 02:55 PM
I'm a big fan of opening up people's games in the micros to get used to these spots. Why not learn against non-expert opponents? The issue for Breich in the midst of a downswing is how the hands are so close in value as you add marginal ones. So, if you have a top 70% hand that he's defending that is a loser due to rake, the hand at top 65% mark isn't that much better and probably loses just as much. Mix those slight losing hands with a little runbad and you just have more spots for bad luck to kill your results. If you manage to punch some holes in your confidence while doing so, it gets worse. That's while irrational confidence in your game can be a help, in many places.

As a pure guess, having a 40%-45% folds BB to steal is probably more profitable than an 25% one until you're at least above 10/20. I'm sure you can find a more informed opinion on that. Still, I'm not saying change anything.
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04-01-2013 , 03:59 PM
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Originally Posted by DougL
I'd filter for BB hands where you VP$IP preflop and then look at your card strength chart. Look at the worst hands you're defending there, and then review the hands for yourself in the replayer. Are you in horrible spots or good ones? This is the proper technique for most stats review -- use the stats to recommend sets of hands to review, review the hands, and then decide if you have a fundamental issue with your game. Chasing your foldsBBtoSteal% stat is lame. Using it to find that you're overcalling a lot of J6o hands and losing your shirt with them is the stuff.
I'm definitely going to filter and look at these hands tonight.

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Originally Posted by DougL
I'm a big fan of opening up people's games in the micros to get used to these spots. Why not learn against non-expert opponents? The issue for Breich in the midst of a downswing is how the hands are so close in value as you add marginal ones. So, if you have a top 70% hand that he's defending that is a loser due to rake, the hand at top 65% mark isn't that much better and probably loses just as much. Mix those slight losing hands with a little runbad and you just have more spots for bad luck to kill your results. If you manage to punch some holes in your confidence while doing so, it gets worse. That's while irrational confidence in your game can be a help, in many places.

As a pure guess, having a 40%-45% folds BB to steal is probably more profitable than an 25% one until you're at least above 10/20. I'm sure you can find a more informed opinion on that. Still, I'm not saying change anything.
For now I think I'm going to drop down to a 60% defending range until I can sort out what my problems are.
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04-01-2013 , 05:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Breich
For now I think I'm going to drop down to a 60% defending range until I can sort out what my problems are.
Only change if you find issues in your review. Samples on a few 100's of hands can lead you far afield. It hurts to lose in games you usually crush, but be ware of making changes due to small samples. OTOH, passing in spots you already knew were super-marginal could be good and help your confidence.
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04-01-2013 , 05:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Breich
I can sort out what my problems are.
you fold too much for your pf stats unless your wtsd% is scewed by sample size.

you are also kinda nitty with 3-betting.

I think session reviews/videos etc is a good idea.

Last edited by Xylocain; 04-01-2013 at 05:34 PM.
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04-15-2013 , 11:22 AM
Thoughts on stats. All .50/1.00 filtered for 5-6 players.

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04-15-2013 , 11:33 AM
Nice stats imo. Still lag hunting? Sb pfr looks like you're good at getting nits to your left.
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04-15-2013 , 01:18 PM
For someone with those stats (we're very similar), I'm surprised at how low you GTSD. Either you're folding too much, or pushing people out. Hard to say - w/high c-bet on river, probably pushing people out. Nice job.
My WTSD increases as my position moves closer to the BTN (50.x% OTB).

I think your 3-betting/capping a lot from the SB but that could be a product of what Bob mentioned. Your SB raising stats are nearly double mine (I'm BE in the SB this year -.27BB/100 -sustainable- w/10.5 3-b and 2.7 cap). I don't like being OOP w/wide range of hands so maybe you're just more comfortable/better at playing those spots.

You're winning though so don't change a thing I guess?
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04-15-2013 , 02:03 PM
Well since Rugby is posting his .50/1 I am going to post mine. Similar results but such different stats. Where am I going wrong? I am still such a nit.



Last edited by antneye; 04-15-2013 at 02:14 PM.
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04-15-2013 , 04:47 PM
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Originally Posted by antneye
Well since Rugby is posting his .50/1 I am going to post mine. Similar results but such different stats. Where am I going wrong? I am still such a nit.


Just because your stats are different doesn't mean you're doing anything wrong. You both play differently and the fish at .50/1 are susceptible to either playing style.
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04-15-2013 , 05:11 PM
It is quite likely that there are a number of profitable styles at any limit. You each also probably run into different responses to your plays and perhaps different spots come up commonly. My own guess would be that your style would be slightly closer to optimal for lower stakes/high rake games.
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05-02-2013 , 09:01 AM
having a tough time moving up to 25/50c only 10k hands this year. but similar results last year. im a bit frustrated when im a 2.5BB/100 winner over 160k hands at 5/10c - 10/20c
playing consistantly 30/21/8 style. really trying to improve 3betting. the last two weeks its been like 10 - 12 instead of 8 or lower. so already working on that one.

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05-02-2013 , 07:03 PM
You fold WAY to much from blinds, specially from big blind.
The number should be in low 30s.

Yeah, 3bet % could be a bit higher too, same with Agg% postflop. Flop cbet is fine, turn and river are a bit too low.
Nevertheless, I still think you should beat 0,25/0,50. It could be just a sample size...
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05-03-2013 , 08:38 AM
hopefully Thanks. In my other limits i have greatly reversed FBB from 60 to 40 so i guess im on my way on that one too.
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