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01-14-2013 , 02:56 PM
Once again, go further up int eh thread and see how people are formatting the stats. I can't read these the way they are right now.
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01-14-2013 , 04:08 PM
Go download a free trial of Poker Tracker 4, and import all of your hands into that program. Then, read the beginning of this thread + the FAQ to figure out how to format your stats like everybody else. Repost and we can give you some useful advice. Those stats you've posted are worthless.
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01-21-2013 , 03:39 PM
Haven't posted stats in a while, what are your thoughts? Mostly .25/.50 and .50/1.00 with a little 1/2 filtered for 3-6 players

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01-22-2013 , 12:38 PM
Rug....I wish I could play 36/28 and win so I doubt I am going to be be able to offer you much here. What is your 3! and 4! pre by position. I'd like to see it for my own sake, not to offer you any advice. Also.....it would be helpful to see your cbet turn and river also.
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01-22-2013 , 12:44 PM
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Originally Posted by nyrugby
Haven't posted stats in a while, what are your thoughts? Mostly .25/.50 and .50/1.00 with a little 1/2 filtered for 3-6 players
I think you should open more in late position and less in early position. We've played together. I'm not sure if you always open KTo utg at 6m, but I think it's a mistake.
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01-22-2013 , 01:24 PM
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Originally Posted by antneye
Rug....I wish I could play 36/28 and win so I doubt I am going to be be able to offer you much here. What is your 3! and 4! pre by position. I'd like to see it for my own sake, not to offer you any advice. Also.....it would be helpful to see your cbet turn and river also.
Here's the other stats you requested


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01-22-2013 , 01:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Bob148
I think you should open more in late position and less in early position. We've played together. I'm not sure if you always open KTo utg at 6m, but I think it's a mistake.
Not always, I agree it's a little loose. Even though it's a LOL sample size when I filter for KTo utg I'm a .37BB/hand winner and I opened 75% and folded the rest pre.
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01-22-2013 , 02:13 PM
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Here's the other stats you requested


Interesting. I was really just comparing it to my own stats. It seems the bulk of the difference between us is coming from Stealing since most of the difference is in LP and I steal a little less than you and you defend your BB more. I also seem to be more aggro on the turn, which I think is a leak of mine. 3! is close but you are wider than me, and 4! is pretty even.

Of course, look at me making your stat post all about me

As for you, I think you can/should dial the LAG back a bit. You have mentioned that you are going through some massive swings. Perhaps you need to re-evaluate the bottom end of your range? KTo from UTG is a good example and is an exact hand we discussed in our session review.

We should do reviews on each other as a standard going forward. Perhaps our stats will meet in the middle and we will both become poker gods
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01-22-2013 , 03:03 PM
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We should do reviews on each other as a standard going forward. Perhaps our stats will meet in the middle and we will both become poker gods
Sounds like a plan
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01-22-2013 , 03:11 PM
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We should do reviews on each other as a standard going forward. Perhaps our stats will meet in the middle and we will both become poker gods
Seeing as my stats are already between both of yours... I'll accept tribute through Paypal
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01-22-2013 , 03:35 PM
Why should he dial back on the LAG??

Look at the number of hands he's played 6 handed vs 3-4 handed. The inclusion of 3-4 handed play is going to skew those stats to being more LAG.
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01-22-2013 , 03:40 PM
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Originally Posted by anfernee
Why should he dial back on the LAG??

Look at the number of hands he's played 6 handed vs 3-4 handed. The inclusion of 3-4 handed play is going to skew those stats to being more LAG.
i was assuming that this was all 6 handed.
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01-22-2013 , 03:44 PM
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Originally Posted by nyrugby
Haven't posted stats in a while, what are your thoughts? Mostly .25/.50 and .50/1.00 with a little 1/2 filtered for 3-6 players

Sorry guys I thought it was clear, I can refilter for just 6 handed play if that would help
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01-22-2013 , 03:54 PM
Personally, I think it's easier to glean something meaningful outside of trends like being positionally aware when you restrict the filtering to 5-6 or 3-4.

Things like steal %, and even blind defense will look different (also dependent on the types of games - tight aggressive/loose passive - you play) on the bottom line when you adjust the filtering IME. Well, maybe not steal % since those stats don't care about EP/MP.

SSSH stats thread also uses 5-6 handed as the standard but not entirely sure about why - probably includes stuff outside of what I mentioned.
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01-22-2013 , 04:08 PM
BTW, I'm going to plug Oink's killing of the SSSH stats thread. He's got a ton of awesome posts in that thread. Highly suggested reading imo.
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01-22-2013 , 04:15 PM
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Originally Posted by anfernee
BTW, I'm going to plug Oink's killing of the SSSH stats thread. He's got a ton of awesome posts in that thread. Highly suggested reading imo.
Thanks for the suggestion, looking forward to reading them. I've watched all of his DC vids at least a couple times. Here's one more filtered for 5-6 players, same time frame.


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01-22-2013 , 05:26 PM
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Originally Posted by nyrugby
Thanks for the suggestion, looking forward to reading them. I've watched all of his DC vids at least a couple times. Here's one more filtered for 5-6 players, same time frame.
The only thing that sticks out as slightly high are the flop+turn+river CB - not that it's a bad thing depending on your opponents. My cbet % drops by nearly 20% street by street. Since you're playing a wide range of hands, I'd suspect that you're putting money in bad on the river.

I think your blind play might need to be looked as well at b/c I play similar stakes and have similar stats (I'm a PIP or two looser) but my WR from the SB is -4.2 and BB is -7.1. But having only ~2k hands from each blind positions, it's possible that you're just running like dog **** while I'm running like god.

Your W$SD is horrendous for 41%WTSD imo and probably an indication of running poorly or maybe some spew(you don't seem like a spewy player imo).

Last edited by anfernee; 01-22-2013 at 05:32 PM.
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01-22-2013 , 06:09 PM
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The only thing that sticks out as slightly high are the flop+turn+river CB - not that it's a bad thing depending on your opponents. My cbet % drops by nearly 20% street by street. Since you're playing a wide range of hands, I'd suspect that you're putting money in bad on the river.
Definitely something I've been looking at more. Like everything in poker I find it easier to do in position. Working on spots to induce more instead of barreling.

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I think your blind play might need to be looked as well at b/c I play similar stakes and have similar stats (I'm a PIP or two looser) but my WR from the SB is -4.2 and BB is -7.1. But having only ~2k hands from each blind positions, it's possible that you're just running like dog **** while I'm running like god.
What are some suggestions of things I can look at that will help me determine if I'm running like dog**** or if I'm leaking? I know in this grouping of hands there was a 300bb downswing. But like most downswings they make you wonder bad luck/ bad play?


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Your W$SD is horrendous for 41%WTSD imo and probably an indication of running poorly or maybe some spew(you don't seem like a spewy player imo).
No, I don't think I'm particularly spewy especially if I fix the cbet T and R issue. Thanks
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01-22-2013 , 06:41 PM
It's hard to tell if it's an 'issue' since you're still winning. I just find it to be one of the places where our stats differ - considerably on the river (52% riv cb).

To really find out if it's an issue, you'd probably have to filter your hands for c-bet river = true, and then evaluate on a case by case basis vs the opponents ranges + other statistical data you have available vs said opponents.

As for your blind play, I suppose you could start with the SB 3-bet and look at the hands where you are initiating play as the aggressor. But again, it was only 2k hands for each position so it's hard to say that it's indicative of your long term trend/projections.

When I was in the habit of looking at my own play away from the tables, I found that it helped to turn on the session replay in HEM and start from the beginning of the session, turn off opponent hole cards, put opponents on hands/ranges, and determine if I'd play hands differently. The reason why I'd start from the beginning is b/c you may pick up on a read away from the table that you can also use later, or remember some piece of information that you used later in the session that you would have otherwise forgotten when looking at a hand by itself. I feel as if information/reads can be lost when you look at a single hand in isolation away from a dynamic/picture that was painted mid session.
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01-22-2013 , 10:22 PM
@anferee

thanks for taking the time on the response, it gives me some things to look at and work on.
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01-22-2013 , 10:42 PM
nice to get my one good deed for the year out of the way.
you were my most profitable opponent too.
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01-22-2013 , 11:27 PM
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nice to get my one good deed for the year out of the way.
you were my most profitable opponent too.
Wait...are you saying you won the most off of him? Or are you saying he was the best villain in your d-base?
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01-23-2013 , 01:40 AM
I have a distaste for money.
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01-23-2013 , 10:54 AM
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nice to get my one good deed for the year out of the way.
you were my most profitable opponent too.
Well thanks for the help, I guess you're saying I paid for it. Now I'm curious about your SN
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01-23-2013 , 11:58 AM
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Well thanks for the help, I guess you're saying I paid for it. Now I'm curious about your SN
I am taking it that he dumped a ton to you. with that said, i think we all need to give each other at least a "sup bro" when seated at the table if we know wach other. It is only courteous.

if any of you are the notorious RTR on merge I am going to be ticked off
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