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01-03-2011 , 11:37 AM
i posted my stats on page 42 i think,i have not had anyone comment on them yet any takers please.
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01-03-2011 , 03:24 PM
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Originally Posted by omega man
i posted my stats on page 42 i think,i have not had anyone comment on them yet any takers please.
problem is you posted links instead of pics. doesn't get as much attention.

you could also have done more than simple screenshots


things that stand out:

low 3Bet percentage. you'll need to work on that. you seem to 3Bet plus minus the same range every time. the looser your opponent, the looser you should 3Bet

low wtsd. find spots to calldown lighter imo.

stop folding your BB so much imo. particulary to SB raises. you should be calling almost ATC against a SB raise.

there are some other stats that i'm not sure if they're indicative. but you seem to fold 30% of the time to a river raise. or you fold to bets a high amount of time on each street.
but i don't have pt3, so i can't compare. but those numbers seem too high.
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01-03-2011 , 06:02 PM
themuppet's thread about attempt-to-steal stats has got me thinking about my steal range. I think maybe I need to take it down a notch or two. Over ~20,000 hands at 0.50/1.00 FR, my stats are:



The consensus from that thread seems to suggest 30-35% is normal and >45% is quite a lot of stealing. At 48%, am I stealing way too much here? Any other thoughts?



Edit: also, my Steal Limped Pot stat is 14.8.
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01-03-2011 , 06:06 PM
I like BTN 45, CO 35, SB 55-70 lol. A generic ATS stat is bad imo cause its so position dependent.
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01-04-2011 , 07:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Kaidus
Quick pitstop to see if I'm just running bad or have some major leaks in my game after 13k hands. Most of them (11.5k) are from .1/.2 and the rest are 15bb forays into below. All hands are FR. Already spotted and trying to change one or two, I know I've been cold-calling too much in the SB and not stealing enough on the button.
Be careful when comparing your SB/BB cold-call % against the "standards" -- it looks like you're using HEM which counts calling a single raise in the blinds as a CC, whilst PT doesn't. So your blind's CC%s are artificially inflated.

That said, there is a large gap between your SB VP$IP and PFR. It may be that at the tables you are playing this is correct, because you are getting good odds to see a lot of multiway flops. Filter and replay some hands, just to be sure.

It looks like you are cold-caling too much outside the blinds, though. Again, it may be correct for the table conditions, but your low 3!% makes me think you aren't re-raising or folding often enough, especially on the button. You're not in No-Limit Land anymore, Toto, so don't play those implied odds hands against only a couple of villains

You could probably drop your VP$IP a couple of % -- keep your PFR similar, though! -- until you become more comfortable post-flop. 12/7 would be tighter than optimal, but will keep you away from some of the trickier decisions until you've adjusted to Limit post-flop play. Speaking of which...

Reasonable AF but low AFq and WTSD means you fold a bit too much, especially on the flop. Look for places you could peel a bit lighter. Your button AF/AFq is weirdly low, possibly as a result of your passive pre-flop play instead of taking the initiative with position. Your CBet%s also look low, though that might be because of lots of multiway flops.

And a general point -- BB/100 is useful than $ amounts when you have stats over multiple limits. It's hard to tell if you are doing well or badly in the blinds, for example.
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01-04-2011 , 03:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Cranberry Tea


The consensus from that thread seems to suggest 30-35% is normal and >45% is quite a lot of stealing. At 48%, am I stealing way too much here? Any other thoughts?
FWIW, the WITHG ranges rougly result in a 40% ATS, IIRC. 45%+ can be fine and is actually fairly standard in the Stars 5/T games, but your individual ranges (ie. CO steal, BTN steal) should make sense in the context of your overall opening ranges. If you're opening close to 50% on the BTN you should probably open 35-40% in the CO, 25%+ in the HJ, and so on.

As ever, this stuff depends on your seat selection... if you have very tight players on your left you can open up somewhat. If you're in the CO and the BTN coldcalls or 3bets a lot you tighten up. Then again, if he does that but is really bad you want to open up again... etc. etc. Though at 0.5/1 you can probably get yourself some standard ranges, deviate only in extreme circumstances and still beat the game just fine.

Oh, I just noticed after writing all the above - those "steal success" numbers are insane. I'd be opening even more than you currently are.
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01-04-2011 , 04:22 PM
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01-04-2011 , 04:33 PM
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low wtsd. find spots to calldown lighter imo.
Your WTSD is about 31%. That's really, really nitty. Definitely see more showdowns. Be smart about it of course, post some hands when in doubt.
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01-04-2011 , 05:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Grromit
As ever, this stuff depends on your seat selection... if you have very tight players on your left you can open up somewhat.
Yeah, I was wondering about that. Seems like Ozi and Leroy have much lower steal %s, but they MMT, whereas I try to be pretty particular about seat selection. Maybe the MMTers find themselves with looser people in the blinds. I'd be curious to hear from anyone else who plays 2-8 tables of 0.50/1.00

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Oh, I just noticed after writing all the above - those "steal success" numbers are insane. I'd be opening even more than you currently are.
Seat selection FTFW!!!!!! Some of these guys will just fold every damn time. Sit yourself next to them and be their new best friend.
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01-04-2011 , 06:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Cranberry Tea
Yeah, I was wondering about that. Seems like Ozi and Leroy have much lower steal %s, but they MMT, whereas I try to be pretty particular about seat selection. Maybe the MMTers find themselves with looser people in the blinds. I'd be curious to hear from anyone else who plays 2-8 tables of 0.50/1.00



Seat selection FTFW!!!!!! Some of these guys will just fold every damn time. Sit yourself next to them and be their new best friend.
I think since you are good about seat selection, then it's a pretty safe route to be doing what you are doing. IF you just played 12-15 tables and sat wherever the server put you, then perhaps these might be a bit much, but i really don't think they are, especially considering your success rate. Keep doing what you are doing, because you are doing it way more than right. If you stop seat selecting like you do, then be a little more careful, imo.
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01-04-2011 , 10:46 PM
FWIW, I get about the same results at 0.25/0.50 over 23k hands. imo, don't be afraid to steal against those lower-stakes players who "never fold." I used to never try to steal against them, but once I started, I got a ton of value stealing blinds from the nits.



/brag
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01-14-2011 , 12:03 AM



Curious if you guys notice anything glaring in these stats. The look better than they ever have to me, but I am not really winning, but I'm not losing either. I want to get back on top though. This is just from this month, so i realize it's a small sample as far as number of days go, but whatever.
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01-14-2011 , 09:34 PM
bump?
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01-14-2011 , 11:23 PM
acutally i noticed one thing...

your BB/100 lost in the blinds is quite high. perhaps you should practice those spots or do some session reviews & swap 100 hands of JUST blind play.

my BB is -16.01BB/100
SB is -6.03 BB/100

both values are lifetime at .25/.50 and .5/1
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01-20-2011 , 01:55 AM
Probably gonna crosspost this in the SSSH forum... at some point. Not tonight though. They scare me.




This is all just for this year so far. I'm playing so much more. Still need to play more to catch up to SN-rate, but eh.

I made some changes over my "don't play poker in college in the fall" hiatus. I'm a little looser PF, 3! some hands I didn't use to, cold-call the SB very intermittently, c-bet the turn quite a bit less, steal more, fold my blinds a little less, and go to showdown way more (36%->40%). Too far in the opposite direction? Not far enough? I don't notice anything glaring, but I'm in a very studious mood at the moment, sooooo...
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01-20-2011 , 10:25 AM
Was reading an old stats article from Bravos (http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/35...-stats-165898/) and a question came up over VPIP/PFR ranges. Right now I'm running at 21/16 over about 4400 hands (had to make new database). I know that general sample size is ~10,000 hands, but read that VPIP/PFR converges somewhat quicker.

I'm thinking I might be 3!ing and opening too light when I should be folding. I'll post some more stats if need be. Thanks for looking.
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01-20-2011 , 10:29 AM
Also, my 3bet PF % is 11.07 (which doesn't seem to have a natural progression around the orbit) and a CCPF % of 2.32.
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01-20-2011 , 03:46 PM
After a year of incessant attempts to play 0.25 successfully looks like finally I started to understand something, January at Stars

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01-25-2011 , 03:41 PM
Hi all,
Here are stats from my first 10k+ hands with pokertracker - 6 max limit hold em between .02c .04c and .10 .20c, I would appreciate anyone noticing any obvious leaks. If other stats are useful I would be more than happy get them up.

Thanks

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01-25-2011 , 06:48 PM
totals would be nice.
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01-25-2011 , 07:24 PM
Taking a shot at 0.50/1.00, getting owned. Am I playing bad or just running bad? So I go back to 0.25/0.50 or play on?






Last edited by Cranberry Tea; 01-25-2011 at 07:29 PM.
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01-25-2011 , 10:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Cranberry Tea
Taking a shot at 0.50/1.00, getting owned. Am I playing bad or just running bad? So I go back to 0.25/0.50 or play on?





its hard to say you're running bad at 57% w$sd i played some with you earlier this month and thought you were decent. biggest problem seems to be that you are a bit nitty, imo.. you can/should expand your opening ranges... expand your 3bet ranges.. probably expand your overlimping/coldcall ranges too... and then postflop, your aggression is wicked high. imo, that means you probably aren't peeling enough flops and turns. that will help you get to SD more. that is what i see when i look at your stats. im certainly no expert though.
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01-26-2011 , 08:26 AM
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Originally Posted by A_Schupick
totals would be nice.
Sorry pokertracker noob as I said didn't realise... The totals were right at the bottom of a big blank space, here are the totals





Rest of my post for a bit of context

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Here are stats from my first 10k+ hands with pokertracker - 6 max limit hold em between .02c .04c and .10 .20c, I would appreciate anyone noticing any obvious leaks. If other stats are useful I would be more than happy get them up.
Thanks
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01-26-2011 , 01:15 PM
23/16 is insanely nitty. Steal more, fold to steals less; I'm raising any two against you BvB and a huge huge part of my range usually if I'm on the BTN.

Also I'm guessing that you're not all that positionally aware; play more hands in later position.

Your VPIP in the BB is insanely low too I think.
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