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11-10-2010 , 03:25 PM
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Originally Posted by AmarilloJim1
I'm at work, so take this for what's worth...I'm assuming you're playing FR? I think your W$SD is a little low...maybe you're calling down too light...whenever you think you're behind in a pot, know your outs, discount your outs, and only draw when you're getting a good price. Looks like you're underdefending your big blind...I'd study up on that...but just generally, I'd look at your post flop play...know when to bet for value, and continue to draw accordingly.
I think you are looking at the wrong stat to extrapolate such things. First, his WTSD is a tidge high, but looking at W$SD stat could be just a product of running bad. It's a small sample, so a bad session could drastically effect this, but also you could be winning 55%, but still have other issues. I caution greatly against looking at this stat and trying to decide what to do, really.
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11-10-2010 , 04:12 PM
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Originally Posted by A_Schupick
I think you are looking at the wrong stat to extrapolate such things. First, his WTSD is a tidge high, but looking at W$SD stat could be just a product of running bad. It's a small sample, so a bad session could drastically effect this, but also you could be winning 55%, but still have other issues. I caution greatly against looking at this stat and trying to decide what to do, really.
Agreed there is some truth to that...but, the 10c 20c game is pretty beatable...not sure I've ever dropped below 52% including a recent downswing of mine. Just a hunch that postflop play may be causing this.

Going through the hands is probably the only way to be sure though.
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11-10-2010 , 04:16 PM
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Originally Posted by AmarilloJim1
Agreed there is some truth to that...but, the 10c 20c game is pretty beatable...not sure I've ever dropped below 52% including a recent downswing of mine. Just a hunch that postflop play may be causing this.

Going through the hands is probably the only way to be sure though.
True, bt I caution against saying "I cant beat.... so you should be able to as well." It seems like logic such as that will cause major issues with making everyone the same,e because not everyone is the same, nor should they aspire to be. Just because you never went below 52% doesn't mean others won't. i think it's well within std. deviation to fall below 50, especially in a smallish sample.
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11-10-2010 , 04:28 PM
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Originally Posted by A_Schupick
True, bt I caution against saying "I cant beat.... so you should be able to as well." It seems like logic such as that will cause major issues with making everyone the same,e because not everyone is the same, nor should they aspire to be. Just because you never went below 52% doesn't mean others won't. i think it's well within std. deviation to fall below 50, especially in a smallish sample.
I hear ya!! Yeah that's probably not a good idea for me.

I think this supports the idea of going through the hands though.

So, maybe I'm erring on the side of making assumptions based on a stat that may vary due to variance, but on the other hand, assuming it's variance could be more costly. Here is the best approach I think, I observed this stat seems a little off, but I acknowledge that variance may play a role in this.

Haha I guess this is one of the main reasons everyone always suggests not worrying about stats so much and looking at hands instead!!
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11-10-2010 , 07:46 PM
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Originally Posted by A_Schupick


so I basically pulled my last 8300 hands of strictly 6max of which I ran @ 1.2BB/100 and cross referenced...

Im running @ 30.59/23.94/52.91 but as we all know I am play much looser/more aggro than most but it took me a while to get to this from the 25/20 I was playing @ first. Its tough to open your range at first but like I said it seems you already grasp the aggression needed to play 6max successfully IMO.

You are basically way tighter in every position except the button than I am which is fine but I bet you could open that range up a bit, I tend to raise everything early with A9+ and any 2 face cards plus ANY PP.

We actually steal the almost the same but I steal more from CO/Btn and you steal 20 more from the SB than me, from what I have learned anything over 50 from the SB is reasonable. It all depends on how comfortable you are playing HU oop a lot. I also am curious your fold BB to a steal stat Ive been playing about half my BBs over this selection of hands but have been playing over 70% of my hands from the BB @ 1/2 which I am sure is absurd.

Im rambling so I will get into the major issues I see you can work on

SD more, not a ton but 36 is kind of light for 6max. ~40 is a better target, but it takes a certain comfort level to know when and when not to. My #s of 38/53 are giving me the previously mentioned win rate where your #s of 36/55 are putting you @ a losing player. It could be variance but I think it leans into you not being used to being in a HU situation as much and realizing 2nd pair or any pair is a SD hand, or Ax in ATS situations because sometimes villains just get pissed and will craise/donk & bet all streets with air to try and slow down someone who steals as aggro as you do.

Your cbet flop is quite low @ 85, get that up over 90. You should be in more HU/SH situations in which you should be more than ready to cbet ESPECIALLY from the SB where you are stealing so aggressively yet cbetting @ 77 .. also your cbet from UTG is light which leads me to believe you are tentative to cbet with air when you miss OOP. Just to get an idea, my cbet stats by street 94/75/72 with my lowest cbet flop being 89 from SB. Again this comes from being more comfortable shorthanded and realizing how many villains will fold to a cbet and a double barrel

The other part you mentioned and that is your donk bets, you should craise more in those spots. A craise shows more aggression and scares off more villains when you lead the turn after.

Just my .02c which probably are not worth much
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11-10-2010 , 08:59 PM
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Originally Posted by GambleGamble
so I basically pulled my last 8300 hands of strictly 6max of which I ran @ 1.2BB/100 and cross referenced...

Im running @ 30.59/23.94/52.91 but as we all know I am play much looser/more aggro than most but it took me a while to get to this from the 25/20 I was playing @ first. Its tough to open your range at first but like I said it seems you already grasp the aggression needed to play 6max successfully IMO.

You are basically way tighter in every position except the button than I am which is fine but I bet you could open that range up a bit, I tend to raise everything early with A9+ and any 2 face cards plus ANY PP.

We actually steal the almost the same but I steal more from CO/Btn and you steal 20 more from the SB than me, from what I have learned anything over 50 from the SB is reasonable. It all depends on how comfortable you are playing HU oop a lot. I also am curious your fold BB to a steal stat Ive been playing about half my BBs over this selection of hands but have been playing over 70% of my hands from the BB @ 1/2 which I am sure is absurd.

Im rambling so I will get into the major issues I see you can work on

SD more, not a ton but 36 is kind of light for 6max. ~40 is a better target, but it takes a certain comfort level to know when and when not to. My #s of 38/53 are giving me the previously mentioned win rate where your #s of 36/55 are putting you @ a losing player. It could be variance but I think it leans into you not being used to being in a HU situation as much and realizing 2nd pair or any pair is a SD hand, or Ax in ATS situations because sometimes villains just get pissed and will craise/donk & bet all streets with air to try and slow down someone who steals as aggro as you do.

Your cbet flop is quite low @ 85, get that up over 90. You should be in more HU/SH situations in which you should be more than ready to cbet ESPECIALLY from the SB where you are stealing so aggressively yet cbetting @ 77 .. also your cbet from UTG is light which leads me to believe you are tentative to cbet with air when you miss OOP. Just to get an idea, my cbet stats by street 94/75/72 with my lowest cbet flop being 89 from SB. Again this comes from being more comfortable shorthanded and realizing how many villains will fold to a cbet and a double barrel

The other part you mentioned and that is your donk bets, you should craise more in those spots. A craise shows more aggression and scares off more villains when you lead the turn after.

Just my .02c which probably are not worth much
Reading this actually helped a lot, because i had fears that I was SD to much (42% at the beginning) and barreling to much (Cbet to high) and knowing that i wasn't actually that far off and that some adjustments i made whee not for the best. I will work on those things for sure,a nd post again in about 2 weeks, or a little after when i have another decent sample... those sound like they may put me over the edge to maybe being BE, or slightly wining.... I hope. Thanks.
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11-11-2010 , 06:00 PM




Hands Amount Won $/Hand Limit VP$IP PFR W$WSF
228,111 $1,352.65 0.01 $0.50/$1 20.98 13.75 39.18

WTSD W$SD AF AFq 3Bet Fold 3B Att To Steal
36.36 53.02 2.9 58.64 9.06 46.37 38.62


Fold BB to Steal Fold SB to Steal CBet F Fold F CB Bet River BB/100 BB/Hand
55.78 79.72 84.62 36.08 42.11 0.59 0.01


Hi There Everyone,
I hope this turns out ok as I am total newbie to posting pics to forums like this. I ´d be grateful on any comments on these stats. Does anyone spot any leaks here?
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11-13-2010 , 05:45 PM
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Originally Posted by electriccrayonset
I hope this turns out ok as I am total newbie to posting pics to forums like this. I ´d be grateful on any comments on these stats. Does anyone spot any leaks here?
You sure have flatlined over the past 100k or so. Is that cause you've tried higher limits?

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Does anyone know why my .05/.1 limit graph shows a straight upward line with no swings over 200k but my .1/.2 shows upswings and downswings over 100k?
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11-14-2010 , 03:41 AM
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You sure have flatlined over the past 100k or so. Is that cause you've tried higher limits?
This graph has only my 0.50/1.00 results. I did ok in 1/2 but the point where the big downswing starts is when I went to 2/4 and 3/6 and started losing ....
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11-14-2010 , 11:50 AM
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Originally Posted by electriccrayonset




Hands Amount Won $/Hand Limit VP$IP PFR W$WSF
228,111 $1,352.65 0.01 $0.50/$1 20.98 13.75 39.18

WTSD W$SD AF AFq 3Bet Fold 3B Att To Steal
36.36 53.02 2.9 58.64 9.06 46.37 38.62


Fold BB to Steal Fold SB to Steal CBet F Fold F CB Bet River BB/100 BB/Hand
55.78 79.72 84.62 36.08 42.11 0.59 0.01


Hi There Everyone,
I hope this turns out ok as I am total newbie to posting pics to forums like this. I ´d be grateful on any comments on these stats. Does anyone spot any leaks here?
riase or fold me preflop, too much calling.

Steal more, your percentage is only at 35%, that's low.

Fold BB to steal less, somewhere around 40% for now... we can work on fine tuning later.

You are to fit or foldy post, your af is way to high, peel more.

CBet more, should be in high 90's especially at this level, easy to exploit once you get in a lot of HU or 3-way pots, which you are going to be at when playing .5/1
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11-14-2010 , 01:12 PM
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riase or fold me preflop, too much calling.

Steal more, your percentage is only at 35%, that's low.

Fold BB to steal less, somewhere around 40% for now... we can work on fine tuning later.

You are to fit or foldy post, your af is way to high, peel more.

CBet more, should be in high 90's especially at this level, easy to exploit once you get in a lot of HU or 3-way pots, which you are going to be at when playing .5/1
Thank You !! How would you describe the steal/BB defend ranges?

Do you mean I should take a card on turn if my overcards miss the flop??
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11-27-2010 , 07:21 PM
Posted a 1/2 6max small sample size in SSSH micros thread if anyone feels like helping me out

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...postcount=2569
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11-30-2010 , 10:16 PM
Please let me know what needs work (VPIP I know). Results I am fine with but I know they won't last forever.

Thanks

ps-gabe1003

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12-06-2010 , 10:18 PM
25c/50c 6-max. Candid comments please! This is Rush, and I admit it's too tempting to quick-fold in BVB situations there, so my blind (esp SB) stats are probably pretty bad.





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12-07-2010 , 09:32 AM
Jomony,

You're very flat pre-flop, with less than 1.5% between your UTG and Button VP$IP. Depending on your personal style, you're either a bit loose early or a bit tight late. Or both -- it's very tempting in Rush to open light from EP (everyone's foldy) and fold light in LP (next hand *now*!).

1/3rd of your PF SB plays are calls. Filter and check -- are these completions in multiway limped pots, calling a raise in family pots, or are you calling raises when you should be either 3!-ing or folding?

What's your c-bet % on the flop, HU and against 2 villains? Difficult to tell from the summary, but it looks a little low. But you may have been finding yourself in lots of multiway pots, which would account for it.
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12-12-2010 , 07:52 PM
last month's worth of hands. usually about 14-20 tabling at FR. usually about 10-12 tabling at 6m.

overall graph:


6m stats:


FR stats:


not sure what my plans are for next year. im considering everything from mmt'ing at .25/.50 and .50/1... to starting at 1/2 and taking poker seriously and trying to actually learn how to play while moving up through the stakes.

Last edited by normalcy; 12-12-2010 at 07:53 PM. Reason: cross posted in small stakes shorthanded
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12-16-2010 , 12:55 PM
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Originally Posted by normalcy
last month's worth of hands. usually about 14-20 tabling at FR. usually about 10-12 tabling at 6m.

overall graph:


6m stats:


FR stats:


not sure what my plans are for next year. im considering everything from mmt'ing at .25/.50 and .50/1... to starting at 1/2 and taking poker seriously and trying to actually learn how to play while moving up through the stakes.
All these comments are for FR:

You need to loosen up. It says you are running like 16/10, which just isn't loose enough. You are missing a lot of value by doing this. trying opening up slowly and have the end goal of being around 22/18 with a steal percentage around 45... At least that's what I am, and I have played 25k hands this month and beating .25/.50 at 2.35 BB/100 and .5/1 at 2.01 BB/100. the variance will increase, but it will be better in the long run, especially when you move up to 1/2.

Your aggression factor and frequency are pretty low. You should be raising a lot more, and calling less. It seems like you get way to passive... I think number around 54 are going to be a lot more reasonable, so baby steps with those as well.

I would want you get your FBBtS down some as well, it's at 49.2 and it seems like ~30 would be a lot better place for this. You aren't losing at on of money out o the blinds, well, more than you should, but I think this could help some as well, and prol lower that number.

Hope that helps some. Also, i do MMT (14-17), so all these suggestions are just stuff i do in my game, so if you just single table 1/2 or something, they may not be as good, but if you do MMT .5/1 they should help some.
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12-17-2010 , 03:06 PM
Hey everyone. I've put in almost 20k hands at .10/.20 and as you can see I haven't been doing so well. My stats are looser than most but I play a lot of 3 and 4 handed tables. I also play anywhere from 6 to 12 tables at a time.

I think I over defend my blinds and I also cold call too much in the SB. Any other thoughts would be appreciated.



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12-17-2010 , 03:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Monkey_Tilt
Hey everyone. I've put in almost 20k hands at .10/.20 and as you can see I haven't been doing so well. My stats are looser than most but I play a lot of 3 and 4 handed tables. I also play anywhere from 6 to 12 tables at a time.

I think I over defend my blinds and I also cold call too much in the SB. Any other thoughts would be appreciated.



You CCPF way to much. You should be around 2% total.... and you don't even come close to that in any position. Especially the small blind, there you are just getting screwed. Either 3! or fold more...

You go to SD way to much. 42 is just not good... I realize you are playing at 3 or 4 handed tables, but i don't think you are playing at those as much as you make out to be, because your hand distribution isn't all that weird. So yea, go to SD less, somewhere in like 35% range... there is a huge discussion on earlier pages about it, so look there.

You need to not MMT.... you can't win doing it right now,s o lets go back down to 2 tables and see if we can fi some of the massive leaks that you have.
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12-17-2010 , 03:21 PM
O yea, you AGG % is pretty low, i think you need to be raising more, but thats more postflop... so i would suggest posting hands.
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12-17-2010 , 03:34 PM
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Originally Posted by A_Schupick
You CCPF way to much. You should be around 2% total.... and you don't even come close to that in any position. Especially the small blind, there you are just getting screwed. Either 3! or fold more...

You go to SD way to much. 42 is just not good... I realize you are playing at 3 or 4 handed tables, but i don't think you are playing at those as much as you make out to be, because your hand distribution isn't all that weird. So yea, go to SD less, somewhere in like 35% range... there is a huge discussion on earlier pages about it, so look there.

You need to not MMT.... you can't win doing it right now,s o lets go back down to 2 tables and see if we can fi some of the massive leaks that you have.
Thanks for the comments. I'm taking a couple days off then going to start again with a smaller number of tables. I must have been mistaken about the SD numbers as I didn't know they were that far off.

I knew I was CC'ing too often but I was deluding myself in thinking it wouldn't have that much of an impact. I'll tighten the VPIP/PFR gap and post some hands. Thanks again.
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12-17-2010 , 04:02 PM
Your spread of VPIP/PFR is to small from early position to button. Your to loose UTG and to tight on the button. Check your steal percentage, though the stakes can affect that as you don't get folded to the button and loose BB/SB hurt here also.

Check your stats, Steal % should be at least 30% and work toward 45%. Baby steps here as the higher you get this the more improvement you will need post flop. Fold to steal in SB should be 80% and BB 40% .. you can start at 45% and work it down to a smaller number as post flop gets better.

I assume your 6max per your shorthanded info. If FR my stat notes don't apply quite as much but steal stuff is certainly applicable.

Reduce your tables and work on your play. .10/.20 is a fairly easy stake to play at and should be your first leak check to .25/.50 which is still pretty easy then to .50/1.00. If your 6 max .5/1 will be a stubble I would guess it was for me. Some regs there play a lot of hands.
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12-17-2010 , 04:11 PM
One more on preflop, the best place to start when your struggling ...

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/22...charts-122781/

This should be embedded knowledge and if you MMT then you have this close but your stats are two flat for you to be positionally aware.

I glanced again .. your 3 bet percentage is higher than I expected with that CC percentage. I think maybe your playing to many hands that are opened, but this is a really loose passive level, so it can be good if you got the post flop for it.
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12-17-2010 , 04:48 PM
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Originally Posted by dmyers1166
Your spread of VPIP/PFR is to small from early position to button. Your to loose UTG and to tight on the button. Check your steal percentage, though the stakes can affect that as you don't get folded to the button and loose BB/SB hurt here also.

Check your stats, Steal % should be at least 30% and work toward 45%. Baby steps here as the higher you get this the more improvement you will need post flop. Fold to steal in SB should be 80% and BB 40% .. you can start at 45% and work it down to a smaller number as post flop gets better.

I assume your 6max per your shorthanded info. If FR my stat notes don't apply quite as much but steal stuff is certainly applicable.

Reduce your tables and work on your play. .10/.20 is a fairly easy stake to play at and should be your first leak check to .25/.50 which is still pretty easy then to .50/1.00. If your 6 max .5/1 will be a stubble I would guess it was for me. Some regs there play a lot of hands.
My steal percent is 28%. SB fold to steal is 66 and BB fold to steal is 61. It's becoming more apparent that I really need to work on my blind play. You are correct in assuming it is 6 max. Thanks for the comments and the link.

I do cold call a lot of hands that are opened in front of me. I guess I should 3bet or fold more. I thought I was decently positionally aware but I see what your saying about being too tight on the button and too loose UTG.
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12-18-2010 , 11:41 AM
Gonna give 2/4 a shot in January so I'm trying to tune up my game.

My 40 wtsd seems high
My blind play needs a lot of work but in not sure where to start. I'm pretty sure i defend to often also 3! to much.

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