I don't know how to post my stats but I can see from this thread, I need to work on my ATS, my blind defense, and I need to loosen up big time in LP. I know I'm a bit of a nit but it is hard to change when you are winning.

I've posted my 6max stats here if anyone is interested.

0.25/0.50







0.50/1







Blind play seems to be a major issue so if anyone fancies a session review focusing solely on this area then let me know.

i first posted my response in the sssh forum, but i decided to delete and move it here b/c i think some people may disagree with me there. you should bear in mind, the type of advice you will get in there are from players whose regular game is 3/6+. Those games just do not play the same at all compared to .25-.50c. The pots at those stakes are mostly heads up, and we mostly face 3+ players/flop. Preflop style and levels of aggression make a difference. You won't be able to 3-barrel bluff someone who is calling you down w/ k-high or pocket threes on a AKJQ 4 board.

it is ok to be a nit and play tight aggressive at .25-.50. I think being between 27/18 and 30/21 is fine. The difference is you put yourself into more marginal situations. For example, you would have to know when to fold top pair, poor kicker in multiway pots. I believe knowing your pot odds and being able to handread are important skills at those stakes to crush.

After playing around 300,000 hands and having more than 20k players in my database at .25-.50c, i don't find many successful players who are able to pull of loose-aggressive very well. I'm talking about anything over 31/23. The majority of it is just value-betting, table-selecting, and taking the standard max line.

Although it is generally a good idea to steal, one thing that should mentioned is who you are stealing against. This is assumed that you have good table selection criterias. I like go against tags who fold more than 50 percent of the time and poorer players in the BB. But if you have a decent reg in your BB, you would be saving yourself money in the long run tightening up your stealing range b/c you probably playing breakeven to slightly losing against that player. Your edge is much thinner. Also, i won't steal loosely if i feel both the blinds are loose passive, non-foldy and are going to play. They are hard to barrel off on a majority of flops. Will call you down extremely light. In general, i think stealing between 37-40 percent is good.

When it comes to blind defense, people will tell you to defend more because the players suck. Well they must be superstars because i feel it actually hurts your wr to have your "foldBBtoSTL" stat below 40%, i don't even like to go below 45% but that's because i multi-table. The rake is atrocious, plus there are more nitty stealers who have a lot better hand ranges.

I think 3-betting around 9-11% is good. That is mostly dependent that you have a loose passive person in front of you though. If all i played w/ were 50/2 players in front of me, my 3 betting percentage would probably be 3%, but i also like to sit next to maniacs, which i will 3 bet like 20% hands. You should know what your 3 betting percentage should be against a tag 23/18 player. You also should know you shouldn't be sitting next to that person.

Thanks for the in depth response Distajos.

It's appreciated.

So basically your fold BB to steal is around 30% lower than mine. That's something that I really need to work on.

Well I'm almost at 10k hands, and I'm pretty sure I'm a winner (in fact, I probably waited at .25/.50 too long...). I usually play 4 tables and practice religious table/seat selection (often leaving/rejoining a table if I see a chance to get a better seat)...

Just starting to move up to .50/1 in the last few days (800 hands), but I wanted to see if there was anything out of line.







It seems like my aggression is a bit higher than others/suggested..is it a problem? How is blind win(loss?)rate? Looks like I might be running hot (34 WTSD, and 57 W$SD)? Anything else jumping out?

Thanks in advance (and watch out .50/1)!

22.5k hands of 3/6, anything out of the ordinary?

Alright so, I'm starting here with my first small sample, practically 10k hands of .10/.20 6-max stats.

I've posted my WR so far (despite lol samplesize) because, even though it sort of biases things in one way or another, (or has nothing to do with the stats really,) I still think it's important for those of you who have long since passed that level to see it's profitable given the average .10/.20 players. I'm posting now because when I'm ready to move up I'm going to have to adjust accordingly, and I believe the best time to make the most important tweaks is now.

I'm gonna give a quick rundown and would appreciate any advice, in particular, where it appears I have to make the MOST changes.

So, a brief synopsis of how I look at it, :

VPIP: a little loose, but I'm comfortable with it because my postflop play is generally better than most players, and i REGULARLY sit at tables with 80/0/10s or 90/40/60s

PFR: Not as high as it should be, perhaps, but again, the majority of tables I sit at have 80/0/10s or 90/40/60s, and if there are TAGS at the table they try to iso-raise, but their range is a little wider.

WTSD: This is where I think I need my biggest improvement. Again though, I don't think it paints an accurate picture of my play because at this level I'm chosing ridiculously loose tables and experience alot of weird lines. In addition I see more 16+ BB pots than you might expect and for one more bet, I'm a showdown monkey.

W$SD: I'm happy it's over 50, but not by much. This has to improve w/ WTSD, but it hasn't affected my winrate significantly because when I do win, I win huge pots.

AF/AFq: Should probably be higher, but I get sort of mubsy sometimes with maybe 2nd best hands and have also found alot of opponents are induceable. I also have alot more trouble c-betting into extremely passive players who have called down repeatedly with strong hands, or OOP in multiway pots.

ANything else: Well, I don't really know where I should be or what other stats I should post.

Thanks for your time.

If you're sitting with people that completely suck, your PFR should be higher than normal, not lower.

Go to showdown less, be more aggressive, steal more, start folding way more in the SB to a steal.

since 750k hands is a milestone...

limits:
http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo...eat=directlink

stats:

http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo...eat=directlink

graph:

http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo...eat=directlink

comments?

Good job. Good volume, too.

With your stats spread over that many limits and games (HUHU, 6m, FR) it's hard to make a meaningful analysis though. Do you have specific questions?

Play around with the filters and group similar games. For example, 2/4 and 3/6 with 7-10 players. Just as long as there's still a significant sample size. If your game changed a lot at some point, make sure to only filter from that point on.

Also note PT seperates the games by table size (IIRC, been a while), so if you want to post your 6max stats you should also include FR tables with 3-6 players. Also include the "positional" (or equivalent) tab and make sure it includes the "raise first in" (RFI%) column.

Finally, SSSH also has a stats thread like this one, only specifically for 6max.

As for what I can see, you're too tight on the HUHU tables. You can also play more hands in the 6max games and go to showdown a little more. Surprisingly your FR stats are more LAG(TAG)gy than one would expect given your 6max stats, so either you're mostly playing when the tables aren't full or you're not as positionally aware as you should be.

wow... i guess i'm outdated, when i began 30/20/2 would be considered tag-lag 6max stats

whats the standard nowadays?

i'll post better, more "packed by stakes/tables", tomorrow, as per your suggestion

Oh, there's nothing inherently wrong with your playing style. I just thought you *could* play more hands, not that you necessarily have to. You're winning after all, at decent stakes too, which is very good.

For me personally 30/20 exactly is the lower bound for a "LAGTAG", but others may disagree. I play 40/32, 32/26, 29/23 4-, 5-, and 6-handed, which roughly results in a 32/25 style overall (15% 3bet, FWIW). I still underdefend my BB so I'm missing 1-2% VPIP here and there. It's been a gradual process though, I started out playing 24/17. With 7-10 players I play something like 20/16 to 22/18. But various styles can be successful of course, like so many others here I used to be a (winning) 17/12 FR TAG for quite a while. Only my 6max game slowly crept into my FR game.

lower 7-10 handed (0.02/0.04 - 1/2)

http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo...eat=directlink

higher 7-10 handed (2/4 - 5/10)

http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo...eat=directlink

shorthanded for the lower limits would be this

6handed
http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo...eat=directlink

5handed
http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo...eat=directlink

4handed
http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo...eat=directlink

3handed
http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo...eat=directlink

I have a quick question about these stats:


Do these relate to what happens if I bet/raise/check-raise? Say if I do any of that PF I go to showdown 45% and win 22%?

Because if so I think it means I hate folding, but it's not clear what these stats mean. It's over ~9k hands FWIW. Thanks.

nice volume, but a few things:

CCPF less, something below too would be a good place to shoot for, because you are just doing it way to much, unless maybe a ton are at .01/.02.... I just think you need to get it lower.

Raise more and call less. You should maybe have like 5% difference between those numbers at the higher limits.

So I moved up to 0.05/0.10 after getting ~5 BB/100 on 2c/4c, thinking it won't be too bad...oh wow was I wrong. I don't know if I have some huge leak, or it's just variance, but I'm basically struggling to break even after 13k hands...I followed some earlier advice after my 10k stats from 5c/10c to adjust my play, and I think my stats are ok (I think WTSD is a bit too high, I'm working on it though). More specifically:

- do I need to loosen up more late position?
- what the hell is going on 3 off the button?

Any tips would be appreciated.

Graph:


Positions:


Details:

I think the difference between your VPIP and PFR is too high and you could probably be a bit more aggressive as well

holy sheet what a grinder

I was reading the stats post by bravos (http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/35...-stats-165898/), he says a 2:1 VPIP:PFR ratio is what to aim for...is the consensus different now?

It depends on the game. For games with a lot of limpy and multiway pots, it's probably still okay. For relatively higher limit games (say .50/1+) the "standard" is a bit LAGTAGgier now, maybe ~18/12... so 3:2?

I think it's okay for the stake he is at, but the being more aggro is a must, imo.

Thanks for the comments. I take it this means 3! more and less open limping. Any particular spots where I need to 3! more or in general across the board?

Now that I've thought about it the comments made by A_Schupick about the difference between your VPIP and PFR are fair enough. There's nothing wrong with limping small PPs if you're sure that you'll get 4 or 5 overcalls. Having just read your "I have the 4th nuts and I don't know what to do" thread I think it's fairly easy to see where you can ramp up the aggression

It's hard to say where you should do it without seeing specific hand examples. Your 3bet% seems to be fairly high. It's a few points higher than mine anyway but my VPIP is a few points lower.

If you're having problems beating 0.05/0.10 you might want to tighten up a bit preflop and be more aggro when you have a decent hand. I'm beating 0.25/0.50 for 7.5bb/100 and I'm break even at 0.50/1 playing 18/14. I don't think I do much more than wait until I have TPTK or better then jam the hell out of it.

hmmm...

Seems you might be able to find more spots to:

3 bet to protect your blinds against loose ranges...also 3 bet to isolate weaker players...

Maybe you're not making enough c-bets..

Also relentless value betting...many times I will bet 3rd pair on the river if no one has played back at me...people will call you with nothing...

My AF is around 2.4...depending on if you're multi-tabling or not your VPIP might be a little high also...if you're making more 3bet iso plays, your VPIP will converge a little more with your PF

Just my two cents...good luck.