To clarify all my hands are from full ring. Previous 15k or so hands was WTSD 35% and W$SD 55%.

Tosh,

These stats look good for FR. I agree with Grommit, your WTSD/W$SD ratio seems low. To me this means you may be making bad folds, which makes me think you may be playing too many tables to get good reads when in marginal situations. Maybe cut back 20-30% of your tables and concentrate on getting good notes. Hang in there, Good Luck!

Tosh: You're way too tight in the BB, fold way too much post, and fire a second barrel way too little. Also you probably either threebet slightly too often for 1/2 full or you seat select badly.

I'll certainly take a look at those points, this is sort of what I mean about my judgement being off at the moment though, my Turn Cbet % is down 8% from last month. WTSD % is down a bit too.

On the folding BB point you and others have made though, I always thought c50% was ok at these low limits because of the rake factor? A lot of regs have ATS numbers of less than 30% in the game too, it feels like I can let more marginal hands go. But that was the impression I had, seems to overvalued its effect.

I suppose your fold to steal is more or less fine; I was just looking at VPIP, which is way low. I can't imagine you're getting that many walks/freeplays at 1/2, so maybe you're folding too many hands to EP/MP raises.

Also, I don't mean to dispute the contention that you're running bad, because you clearly are, but it looks like it's exacerbating your already kind of timid postflop tendencies.

Oh I see what you mean now, yeah I defend pretty tight against an EP raise if its folded around to me, I could certainly loosen up there.

Can't argue with your second point, my confidence has taken a big hit.

I dont know what it is, no matter how much "I feel" like I open up my ranges at 6max I am always right around 24/17/52 (since Rush Week its 21/18) My button is running at 27/25/55

Im sitting at 14k hands right now so Ill post a pic of it tomorrow...

Ok so here we go 6max at 15k hands, last time I posted at 6kish. I reduced my ccing increased my 3! but I cant seem to get my Vpip up... I have been following the 6max chart I was advised on and it has opened my range, but with some of the recommendations it just feels odd (T8s raised from MP etc).



My stats after 6k hands for comparison http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...&postcount=280

I think I over cbet on boards I shouldnt, though I have reduced cbetting whiffs with a 3villain pot. I am also working on a balance between unloading the 2nd barrel on a turn on a dryish board, as of late I have been feeling MUBSy but I think its more so having to do with Rush week and a lot of unknowns out there calling with air.

My Pfr is up 4 from last time so while its low from what I have been told its grinding up there, same with my ccpf its on its way down down down.

My steal is low, but not that bad compared to where I was...baby steps right? Are my BB/100 out of BB/SB good? as compared to FR they are in line but not sure if should change based on 6max.

I think I right on the cusp of being where I should be, I am rolling at 1.7BB/100 and would like to get that up around 3ish so I can start moving up. The fact that I am at .02BB/100 over the last 4000 hands has killed that number...

I also have gotten my AFq over the streets more in line, instead of getting more aggressive I have learned to let it go and not burn BBs






Thanks again ladies and gents, any help is appreciated.

take whatever chart you're using, add more hands to it?

what's wrong with 1.7/100?

you're winning. start reading the SSSH forum? browse the sticky, find the SSSH stats thread.

I think its more so I need to have more faith in the EP play with some of the hand ranges they have and 3! EP raisers instead of insta folding some hands.

Im greedy so I want a higher win rate of course

Only stat thread I found in SSSH was FR so not much help TBH

Are you sure you're looking in the right subforum.

Small Stakes and Small Stakes Short Handed are two different forums. You want the latter one, LDO.

You're still a bit nitty, but it's good that you've found some additional hands to raise and have cut back on the cold-calling. It's weird, though: when I starting out and used that chart for about 5000 hands, I thought I was getting 26/18 stats. Are you electing to fold in some spots you're not comfortable in, or what?

You may want to up your stealing ranges a tad. 43% from the BTN and 30% from the CO is a really good start, imo, but if you want to start loosening up, these are the positions to do it. Although, depending on your competition, your current stats could be completely fine, so don't overdo it if you are looking to add hands.

What 2% of hands are you open-limping UTG?

Fold the BB a bit less often. I usually advise to get it below 50% so people just don't waltz in and start profitably opening ATC against you.

Gamble, by and large that looks good to me for .25/.50 6max. Remember the rake is huge so some places need to be tighter than higher limits, especially blind play. The one thing that really jumps out at me is your WTSD in the BB is very low; it should be lower than from the field, but not that much so.

If you're going to stick to 6-max, you should be definitely be spending more time in SSSH, and doing session reviews there.

It was late and I missed the extra S

You nailed it with the comfortable factor in regards to some hands, its getting there of course.

My stealing has always been probably the weakest part of my game, which is part of reason I like 6max as it makes you get better at it which if I compared the numbers would be significantly better than what I had at FR

I ran my UTG open limp stats and I have only done it 42 times in all the hands I have played and out of them 39 of them were back done back in May before I really delved into a starting hand chart. Its been 22/33 so far this month which I probably should but Ill give myself the benefit of the doubt and think I was at a table in which it was profitable.


The WTSD definitely jumped off the page for me also, it seems I overplay from BB but never get to SD meaning I am probably giving up too soon etc.

But I like it here and new places are scary, but I will definitely look into their stat examples and what not.

Thanks guys

Also, while it's not stat-based and more off of some of your NC thread posts, I would look into spots where you may be putting in too many bets or otherwise spewing. Perhaps you could focus some of the hands you post on 2+2 around that area.

But like Tapirboy said, I doubt there's anything egregious in your play. You've got a good foundation and you're working with it, so just continue doing what you're doing.

Like I posted in NC, it annoys that I know what my issues are yet I still do many of them for whatever reason. Its getting better everyday, so I got that going for me

Hi all, I've been lurking for a while here and finally decided to start taking a full part in the forums in the hope of improving my game. I've been trying to make supernova on stars and have run into a brick wall in terms of my winnings in the last month, can someone take a look at my stats and see if there is any glaringly obvious leaks in there? Any help would be much appreciated.

Cheers, Rob.


By robowen at 2010-07-15


By robowen at 2010-07-15

robowen.....it looks to me like you should be defending your BB more(maybe get to 55% or so).It also looks like you go to showdown a little too often.

Hopefully someone can give you more definitive numbers for WTSD and W$SD.

GL at the tables.

Most of that looks at least in the right neighborhood for a 15/12 style. I don't think I've ever seen a 15/12 for whom posting in the CO was a good idea, but you could be the first. (And certainly posting elsewhere in the field is a bad idea.) Not that that's a big difference. I'd tell you to play more hands, but starting that at a low confidence point is probably a bad idea. You should be aware that there are quite a lot of profitable opportunities you're missing, though. One that you could look at changing is that you're probably overlimping in spots where raising to isolate would be better.

I suggest posting some hands you've had trouble with, especially hands that are headsup postflop. Most 15/12s are pretty bad there.

ontiltagain- I thought WTSD range should be between 30-40%? (I think there's a similar figure in the FAQ or v1 of the stats thread I'm not sure which) Although when I look at my WTSD by position it does seem high from all positions except the blinds even if my overall WTSD is within an acceptable range, something else to look at I think.

Thanks for the feedback guys, it's much appreciated.

Ill give it a go Rob, based on what i have learned and been told of course...

CO play was mentioned but you seem to be much more aggressive from that position than button, but that could have to do with posting and trying to defend your post more. Which is also leading to you going to SD more, but losing at SD less so that can be cleaned up easy peasy.

Your WTSD number is high, 30-34 for FR is more inline, and that will raise your W$SD which is on the low end of expectancy (50-55)

Your blind play is suspect (but it is my weak point also), steal more from SB closer to 50% and also from CO/Button but I am not positive on figures. You are overplaying your blinds by a decent amount that once you get that in line could alone get you to profitable. Your BB/Hand should be around -.16BB and -.12SB, If I figured it out right if you reduced your numbers more in line with that its a swing of $621 from BB and $209 on SB for a $830 swing which alone flips you to a profitable player of $197.

Noticed you have no aggression stats, one thing that helps when posting is to kind of line up your stats with what was set up on front page.

But I really dont know much...

I am beginning to see a correlation between opening up hand ranges...

Yesterday W$SD 58.65




Today W$SD 48.21



Same WTSD, so maybe its just that bastard Variance

Its always amazing how it can wipe out a good day so fast

How your WTSD% lands in the range of normal WTSD%s (30-40%) is going to be a function of how loosely or tightly you play preflop. If you're tighter, you should be at the higher end of the spectrum because, in general, you'll be coming in with better hands. Conversely, if you play looser, you'll be at the lower end, since you're playing more speculative hands that aren't going to see a showdown a lot of the time. For how tight Rob is playing, 38% seems all right. Once you get somewhere around LAG-TAGgy stats of 20-22/15-17, you should expect to see a WTSD% in the low 30s.

Wouldnt this statement work to to the same effect with W$SD though in opposite direction then?

If he is playing more premium hands then wouldn't he win more at SD... I can see the argument of the more hands you get to SD the more you lose and vice versa but seeing as there is no street aggression stats we have no idea if he is getting MUBSy with his premium holdings, slowing down and allowing people to catch.. For all we know he could be raising pre then shutting it down against any scare cards or aggression.

He could even be doing what I did at first and that is have inverse aggression stats where I actually got MORE aggressive every street.

I'm pretty sure this is wrong.

As a LAGtag, you're creating bigger pots which require you to showdown somewhat lighter. When people think you're crazy (improperly adjusting TAG's or marginally aware fish), they call you down lighter and/or play back at you more.

I'm consistently above 36/37 WTSD and I know DougL mentioned recently in SS that he's 40+ regularly.