What range of hands should I be defending with? This is one of many areas where I'm basically just guessing lol!

Yeah I really struggle knowing when the best time to 3 bet is. What sort of range should I be 3 betting? I know it can depend on the table etc. but if you could give me some general guidelines I'd appreciate it. Also what CCPF numbers should I be aiming for? When is it ok to CCpre?

Here's what I got when I put on the filters you suggested:



I'm guessing the PPs are the obvious hands to consider 3betting. Should I just be folding 55 when facing a raise?

Thanks for your help guys.

I am going to assume this is just the losing hands, and this pretty much speaks for itself because I am going to guess you are losing money overall with your CCPfs

A lot of the play depends on a villain/table...

Heres a solid starting hand chart you can familiarize yourself with to get an idea of 3!/fold etc...
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/22...charts-122781/

Ok, I posted some charts in mid July and was aked to go to school and do about 5K hands and re-post.

The limits were 3/6, 2/4, 1/2 and .5/1. I had to work off my IRON man bonus as I was leaving on a vacation so I needed to get points faster or else I would have dropped down more. This probably has contaminated my stats but I am not sure how much difference there is in .5/1 to 3/6 LHE

First are my original stats:



The following is my new stats. I have managed to drop me CCPF down a lot and have been working on my 3-bet range, I was tending to 3-bet some weak hands since I did not want to call....this is stupid since if I don't feel comfortable 3 betting it, I really should just fold...right?

My WTSD is not going down, this is a major problem to me and I don't know how to fight this, I cannot figure out how to fold. Very fustrating.

It also looks like my blind play is worse now, what do you think?





I have managed to get my VPIP and PFR to the 18/12 area which feels a lot better to me now.

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Random notes etc

Stop worrying about clearing bonuses or holding a status UNLESS its covering for your significant losses for one. With some of these stats 3/6 etc players are licking their chops and bum hunting the guy who never folds.

The craziest thing about what you are showing is that you are not a winning player at lower limits so you then decided to play higher limits while you were trying to fix some basic problems that will get you severely manipulated at the limits you are playing now.

There are 9/10 positions at the table and in general they all play slightly different but in your case you basically are grouped in UTG/UTG1 ...MPs ... CO/BTN ... Blinds... become more positionally aware, why are you playing this hand from this position etc.

Who cares if your stats are 18/12 right now if your CCPf is still so high and you are a showdown monkey. If I was a villain at your table I would see decent base stats but also my eyes would light up at the fact that YOU NEVER FOLD, how hard is it to to play someone who you know is going to call down with any piece all the time because that's pretty much what i get from your stats.

Your button/blind play is terrible... you never steal plus you are easy to steal from and at those stakes you are getting eaten alive. Your ATS actually got worse and so did your defending, go back to the first page and see the breakdown of how someone SHOULD improve as they move up levels.

Its great that your CCPf is getting under control but basically instead of 3! you are just folding... Do you know how to isolate? Do you know why to 3! and not fold etc. Somewhere in this forum section there is a respected preflop hand chart.. study it, use it while playing. If you MMT, stop and single table for a while and use that chart every hand til you know it (at lower limits also)

I am also going to go ahead and assume you never believe people when they bet, you have KQ and the board is AQ4 and you peel one off unimproved vs 3 villains and you call down and are shocked when someone flips A4o from the SB when in many cases your 3! would get them to fold leaving you isolated with a MP raiser leaving you heads up and in much better position to win the hand.(end run on sentence)

Filter your stats to see WTSD hands only (misc tab I believe) and start reviewing from there. Ill even help... feel free to send me 10hands via PM if you like where you are struggling to find a fold and Ill do a mini session review and get you started there. Have you even posted any strat hands yet or are you just trying to do this on your own? There is a wealth of knowledge and people ready to give advice and help here, use us and now just for stats. (edited to add... I was bored so I searched you to see if posted strat etc. Basically you posted your last set of stats, posted 1 strat hand...grunched zero times, played 5k hands and then posted more stats. Trust me this will not lead to the improvement you seek at all)

Stats are all well and good, hell my 6max stats are pretty much in line with whats considered optimal yet I still spew sometimes and make bad decisions which doesn't show up in baseline stats so I post strat and learn that way.

Stop posting from anywhere but the BB, so what if you have to wait.... you have $73 in money posted from CO and MPs. Plus if you are not playing your BB/SB welll at all what makes you think that by posting in another position you are going to do any better.

and for christ sakes start finding reasons to fold and seriously PM me for a mini session review, if I cant point you in the right direction I will find someone who will.

after looking at this thread im not sure if my stats are what they should be

im 32/31 at $0.25:$0.50 and $0.50:$1....

oh its shorthanded, 6/5 players.

Dang, Gamble completely nailed that. Stop showing down so much. Steal more. Defend more.

I would also that I'm raising 100% if I'm in the SB vs. your BB, and I'm opening very close to 100% if I'm on the BTN and you're in the BB.

32/31 is... weird. You're generally going to want some distance between your VPIP and PFR. Raising/3!ing/capping 97% of the hands you choose to play just seems really wrong to me.

A lot of winning 6-max players have stats between 26/18 and 33/25. Obviously there's some leeway either way, but I'd definitely look into why your numbers are so close to each other.

Do you have any more stats?

filtered 7-10 handed:



so, the biggest difference is that i upped my aggression.. used to be low 1.x and low 40% range.. now its high 1.x and high 40% range... i also managed to get a little bit looser overall, but while actually tightening up in EP and loosening up a bit in LP. what's next?

how much more difficult is 2/4 and 3/6??? anyone with experience can tell me that?

I'd recommend putting something in your PT3/HEM where you can see how you're doing in BB and not just cash.

Your aggression should have a lot to do with your opponents. If they're loose/passive and you weren't value betting enough, raising it is good. As you move up to more aggressive opponents, you may find yourself becoming less aggressive as you let them barrel at you. As my HU game improved, mine went down a good bit.

How difficult is level X? It depends on the holes in your game and the mistakes you make relative to the average player. By 3/6, you're going to have to be able to deal with aggression and the blind stealing game. Is that a strength or a weakness for you relative to the player pool there? If you're a FR player with weak SH skills, I'd consider working on your 6m game a little as you move up in these limits.

Your stats are fine for these games. You can win playing like this. Only one way to find out. Remember that game/seat selection becomes more important as you move up.

mid-year checkup, started playing FR again this year for the first time in a few years, filtered for 8-9 players, about half is .5/1 rush, other half is 1/2 regular, anything jump out at anyone?

how do you get HEM to distinguish ep1, ep2, mp1, mp2 etc..? mine just gives me EP, MP, CO, BTN, SB, BB.

i think your stats look great. the only think i wonder about is if you might be stealing TOO much? 41% from CO, 60% from BTN, 77% from SB. do you know if you are profitable with the bottom portion of each of those ranges?

Looks good, IMO. Move to PS.

these %'s would be standard for e.g. 2-4 and higher 6m for a 35/25 winning LAG, FR players are nittier at defending so I'm pretty comfortable with them. If the BB is 14/10 or lower nit I open closer to 90% SB and 75% button, although I'll tighten up in SB if I opened the last 3 times against the same guy.

@L2B thanks, means a lot coming from you (that sounds smart-assy but it's meant in sincerity)

All right guys, I am going to try to move up to .50/1 either tonight or tomorrow, but wanted to get my last stats check before I did that, just to make sure I have no gaping holes in my game that will get me crushed. With that being said, i notice my Fold BB to Steal % is much to high, but other than that, things don't look too terrible.

Your ccpf from ep should be 0. Ever. That 3.33 from utg+1 is bad. Never open limp @ 50c-1. As you said, defend more.

Good luck and stay the **** outta my way.

I did it once actually. So i did it once out of 30 times... and the hand looks like i just mis clicked it when i did it actually, haha. Stupid stats.

BB/100 is one of the stats in the pic

Meh... you can't judge swongs in BB/100. At least not easily.

All I'm saying is that having a -$228 session can mentally hurt a lot more than having a -38BB session, even if, at 3/6, they're the exact same. And having a -200BB swong is easier to deal with than a -$1200 swong even though, again, they're the same. Thinking in BB translates across limits. Thinking in increasing dollar amounts can mess you up.

oh. so you mean have a stat for straight up BB won/lost.. not just BB/100.

Yeah, you have to make a special stat in PT3. Not sure how it's done in HEM.

Well, the moving up hasn't been quite a smooth as I wanted, but I'm not losing hope. I think I am being a little too loose from EP, and need to work on that, All other critiques are welcome and encouraged:

A_Schupick,

Aside from the EP like you stated looks like you are getting killed in blind play which I suck @

*sigh* I was hoping you where good at it, or someone was. I can't find out how I am doing so badly at it. I have lost some nasty coolers BTN v. BB and SB v. BB, but still I have to have some major leak that is even worse than that.