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08-20-2017 , 01:58 PM
Early in a session of 3/6 LHE HU on ACR vs seemingly competent American opponent (I only say American because the last thread I posted asked if the opponent was Russian for those geography reads).

Hand 1:
I raise J2o on btn, opponent calls.
Flop A27, I call a check/raise.
Turn 9, I call a bet.
River K, opponent bets, me?

Q's: Btn opening range near 100%, right? Ok to call the check/raise? And then call down when flush and straight draws miss?

Hand 2:
I 3bet J9 pre from the bb.
Flop KK7r no diamonds, opponent calls my cbet.
Turn K offsuit, opponent calls my bet.
River 8, I figure I can bluff him off Qhi and prevent getting bluffed by firing a bet, but I get called by Q6 of spades. Fine bluff line?
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08-20-2017 , 03:27 PM
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Originally Posted by zoogenhiem
Early in a session of 3/6 LHE HU on ACR vs seemingly competent American opponent
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(I only say American because the last thread I posted asked if the opponent was Russian for those geography reads).
Early in the match I would expect my opponent to err on the side of loose passivity.

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Hand 1:
I raise J2o on btn, opponent calls.
Flop A27, I call a check/raise.
Turn 9, I call a bet.
River K, opponent bets, me?
I'd fold preflop but I don't think it's a big mistake to raise. Then I like the hand as played and I'd call the river. Standard imo.
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Q's: Btn opening range near 100%, right?
No, 100% is bad poker. I raise about 82% vs unknowns.
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Hand 2:
I 3bet J9 pre from the bb.
Flop KK7r no diamonds, opponent calls my cbet.
Turn K offsuit, opponent calls my bet.
River 8, I figure I can bluff him off Qhi and prevent getting bluffed by firing a bet, but I get called by Q6 of spades. Fine bluff line?
I think it's closer to a check call than a bluff, but that's neither here nor there cus I'd check call the turn.
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08-22-2017 , 04:15 PM
82% seems a little tight imho

Fold the bottom 12% of your range our for hand1. See why ?
is bottom pair in the lower 12% of your range ?

Hand 2 is more interesting. pot is laying you 7:1 on a bluff. You should balance here. Figure out how many combos of made hands which you bet for value and then throw in appropriate mix of bluffs. Face villain with a range where he is getting 8:1 on a call, but 11% of your range is a bluff and the rest is value.

Im over simplifying things a bit, but this is the general thought process I apply to hulhe.
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08-22-2017 , 04:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Bob148

I think it's closer to a check call than a bluff, but that's neither here nor there cus I'd check call the turn.
Hero 3bets pre which narrows his starting range. I don't think we will induce a bluff from villain ott. I'm assuming villain is afraid we will c/c with a lot of our range.
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08-22-2017 , 04:29 PM
Hand 1 I'm by default not folding a pair on that board and action sequence

Hand 2 this is a check call for Cepheus, but I'm suspect that flesh and blood human players won't have the hands in their range that Cepheus carries in its 3 bet / bet flop / check turn line to where J9s is particularly high up in the distribution. Since I also suspect people will underbluff this spot since it looks like we're checking to call with A hi, I may lean towards a fold.
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08-22-2017 , 05:17 PM
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human players won't have the hands in their range that Cepheus carries in its 3 bet / bet flop / check turn line to where J9s is particularly high up in the distribution.
This is unimportant. What's important is the villains value:bluff ratio on the river, which determines the profitability of bluffcatchers.
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08-22-2017 , 05:22 PM
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Originally Posted by dantheman_05
Hero 3bets pre which narrows his starting range. I don't think we will induce a bluff from villain ott. I'm assuming villain is afraid we will c/c with a lot of our range.
That's even more reason to check the turn.
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08-22-2017 , 05:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Bob148
This is unimportant. What's important is the villains value:bluff ratio on the river, which determines the profitability of bluffcatchers.
Then we should fold because villain is likely to be underbluffing on this texture; it looks like we have a showdown hand quite a lot when we check.
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08-22-2017 , 05:38 PM
If that's your read, I can't fault a fold on the river, was just pointing out that looking at our own range isn't what's important.
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08-22-2017 , 06:43 PM
No, but the less you know about villain's range, the more you should look at your own and adjust accordingly
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08-22-2017 , 08:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Bob148
That's even more reason to check the turn.


How so ?


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08-22-2017 , 09:38 PM
If they don't bluff because my hand looks like Ace high that's gonna call, then that means Jack high is gonna win more often than it should vs a better opposing strategy on the button that includes bluffs. The button has decided to double my effective odds by not bluffing, which only benefits my bluffcatchers.
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08-23-2017 , 11:36 AM
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Fold the bottom 12% of your range our for hand1. See why ?
is bottom pair in the lower 12% of your range ?
This isn't the correct method for choosing which hands to call. There is currently not a mathematical method that tells us which hands to call here.

Instead, you should be thinking about which line is the most profitable.
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08-23-2017 , 11:12 PM
I'm rusty on my gto, but I believe calling down has to do with the pot odds villain is receiving. We have to balance our calls with our folds.


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08-24-2017 , 08:35 AM
That's the old view of indifference. Early street play is much more complex than once thought. Even correct river play doesn't use minimum defense frequency based on pot odds.

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08-24-2017 , 11:05 AM
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Originally Posted by jdr0317
No, but the less you know about villain's range, the more you should look at your own and adjust accordingly
I would think that anyone that sits with a limit holdem gamestarter should have some knowledge of what makes up a decent strategy. Otherwise you're just playing for the fun of it.
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08-24-2017 , 12:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Bob148
I would think that anyone that sits with a limit holdem gamestarter should have some knowledge of what makes up a decent strategy. Otherwise you're just playing for the fun of it.
I play for fun but also for education. Paying my tuition so to speak at 1/2-3/6 online to prepare for higher stakes games against less good people. And compounding the educational effect by sharing hands with more knowledgeable people, like here on 2p2.
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08-24-2017 , 01:51 PM
There are people that can beat high stakes at 3/6 online.
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08-24-2017 , 02:29 PM
I'd go as far as to say if you can beat 3/6 on ACR, you'll beat live 40 without issue beyond bankroll concerns.
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