5 handed late night/early morning 4/8 game.

Cutoff is a 50% coldcalling, hardly ever 3 betting, very nice woman. She seems to understand that limit holdem is a drawing game, but she probably takes this a bit too far with speculative holdings preflop.

Big blind is a 20/40 waitlister, who has shown some loose passive preflop tendencies. He does, however, know where the raise button is with seemingly solid preflop ranges. He probably c bets near 100% 3 ways and less. I have not yet seen him 3 bet preflop from the big blind, though we've only been playing together for an hour or two.

My image is pretty good, meaning that I have been active preflop and have not been caught bluffing lately and have shown the ability to value bet thinly. I"m up somewhere between 10 and 20 bets in the last two hours.

I open HJ with JJ, CO calls, folds to BB who 3 bets, I cap, limper calls, BB calls.

Flop: T82

BB checks, I bet, limper calls, BB check raises, I make what I consider to be a thin, yet standard 3 bet, limper calls, BB caps, we call.

Turn: T

BB checks, plan?

My plan is bet and call down without a significant sample against this player, and bet fold if CO raises.

Check

We can't fold if we bet and get raised. At that point we'll be getting ~19:1 on a call, so we'll have odds to set mine against a T or under boat.

That said, I think I still bet the turn. BB could easily have big diamonds. If he's checking a big pair, it seems unlikely he's checking to C/R anyways. CO could have a ten, but there are also plenty of draws we want to charge.

I prefer betting the turn and checking the river as opposed to checking the turn and calling the river.

Slide, I think pot might be smaller than 19:1 OTT. If I'm counting it right we are 3-ways capped pre and capped on the flop. for 24 SB or 12 BB. That gives us an easier B/F on the turn I think. Am I missing some extra bets somewhere?

Other than that I agree with how you want to play the rest of the hand and I still want to bet the turn as well. If BB has a boat or quads it is either 88 or TT, which is only 4 combos, unless we think BB would 3bet 22 from the BB.

I don't think 3 betting flop is standard (I wouldn't), and I wouldn't cap pre.

I like the cap pre with the 3rd guy in, but I think I just call the flop C/R. When he caps, you are probably behind.

His turn check is weird, and it makes me think he's going to C/R again. The only way you conceivably have a T is if you now have quads, so he might be getting tricky with AA knowing that you have a smaller overpair.

Maybe he has big diamonds, but he capped OOP OTF after you 3-bet, so that would make me discount that part of his range somewhat. Is the limper still in?

Yes.

check and call river. should have b/c'd flop.

Woops, yea for some reason I was counting bets 4-ways, not 3-w. I think we can B/F the turn now. We'd be betting ~15:1 on the turn, so we'd have to make up 4-5 bets on the river to justify the turn call and that seems too optimistic.

I've been convinced by replies and equilab that even if we include flushdraws in his flop check raise range, we're still a dog and can't buy enough equity from CO with a 3 bet to make 3 betting the right play. Plus, we get capped sometimes like in this hand.

As played on the turn we're still a dog to the BB unless we discount overpairs a lot.

I spew in big pots I guess.

Thanks for the replies. I thought this was a tough ranging problem.

too much action

You guys convinced me that my earlier post isn't good advice as it is in the spew zone.

I like the cap pre in pos against the other aggressor in the hand. Button never has anything except KQ/AQ that performs reasonably well against your hand (but 88 would hurt here).

I'd feel confident ok until the flop cap. The BB check on turn doesn't make me feel a whole lot better, so check turn and call down most rivers also, depending on action.

Once we get to the turn, no way I'm not betting. Since i'm definitely not folding to 1 river bet.

I'm in the slowdown camp once c/red on the flop even with the passenger.

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Mods please change "possible playalong" to **official Jon Locke appreciation thread**

Autopilot tilt confirmed.

Why aren't we capping the 4th best hand in limit hold 'em preflop here after a cutoff cold call?

Can you think of any reasons we might not cap?

There are spots when you simply have to acknowledge that you have the 4th best hand in limit hold 'em. Getting 3-bet by the BB pre at 4/8 is one of them.

A+ title change. Thank you mods, and thank you Jon Locke.

In retrospect, I burned a lot of bets in this hand. Live poker is not online poker. Lesson learned.

Dear Bob-

I once played with Jon Locke on my right and jesse on my left. I was grateful that the drinks had a generous pour.

This sounds like a great experience in which the sum of all benefits exceed any monetary loss. I'm reminded of a round of golf that I played with an old man, who was deadly with his 1970's 4 wood. He played only with this 4 wood from tee to green, while using his sandwedge only around the green, and of course putting with a putter. We didn't keep score that day, but I learned an important lesson from this man, whom I've never seen again.

my seat selection there leaves something to be desired.

i'll bite. the reason not to cap here is that the big blinds range is so narrow that it's almost impossible to build any sort of remotely balanced range that isn't just crushed by it AND he's likely to bet every flop anyway which is just as good basically as getting it capped and having him check to us?

Winner.