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11-03-2008 , 03:26 PM
instaban imo
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11-03-2008 , 04:38 PM
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Originally Posted by GemiNiveK
Having been a small-business owner for the past 16 years, I've become socially liberal and fiscally conservative. Both parties utterly disgust me which is why I'm quickly becoming some sort of Libertarian.
What do you think about the political philosophy Anarcho-capitalism? I'm having a hard time figuring out the difference between Libertarianism and Anarcho-capitalism. I think Anarcho-capitalism is under the umbrella of Libertarianism.
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11-03-2008 , 05:11 PM
You are such a troll...
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11-03-2008 , 05:30 PM
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Originally Posted by GemiNiveK
You are such a troll...
Ha! Not a troll, just politically illiterate. Just wanted to know if there was a meaningful difference between those two philosophies. Since I have the time, I may spend a day or two learning more about them and perhaps someday get a book on the subject.

BTW, what is the formal definition of a troll? Is this one acceptable?

1. One who posts a deliberately provocative message to a newsgroup or message board with the intention of causing maximum disruption and argument

I certainly don't want to cause any disruption or argument on a subject I'm almost completely ignorant on.
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11-03-2008 , 05:31 PM
Bravo, dajaka!
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11-03-2008 , 06:00 PM
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Originally Posted by ILOVEPOKER929
I certainly don't want to cause any disruption or argument on a subject I'm almost completely ignorant on.
And you don't mind using prepositions to end sentences with.
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11-03-2008 , 06:20 PM
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Originally Posted by dajaka
Ok...I have been a long time lurker of this thread and had no desire to post....however comments like this are so far beyond stupid that I have to chime in.

Correct neither choice is good....however there is no proof anywhere that either Mccain or Obama would be good or bad for online poker. All that there is is speculation. Fact of the matter is it is not an important issue in this election, as much as we would all like to think it is.

Some points
-Obama will be more likely to sign a bill presented by a democratic congress which we well may have
-Mccain may be less likely to sign the same bill simply because it would be a democratic congress
-Neither has spoken on the issue at all.....and very likely neither will care about it enough in the next four years to even ponder it....it simply isnt important at this point in time.
-Mccain has several major casinos/gambling intrests that are large contributors to his campaign....if a bill were to come up that would allow them to open their own online sites it would seem extremely likely that he would vote for it.
-The worse the economy gets the less people will put money into it at all.

I will keep my own personal beliefs out of it.....however dont vote because of what you here. If you cant be bothered to do a bit of research and individual thought based on that then you will do far more harm than good.

A friend of a friend was telling me about a conversation they had with another prominent AP reg...who shall remain unnamed. Here were the given reasons why that person would be voting for Obama

-He is smart and educated
-Seems to have high morals
-He has a specific plan for once, which never happens
-He is articulate
-He just all around seems like a very good guy

These statements are terrifying beyond belief to anyone who can think logically, or at least they should be. Unforunatly it seems that a ton of otherwise smart and well to do people think the same.

Pondering these reasons

-Educated.....ok this is certainly the most valid of a huge list of intangibles

-Seems to have high morals....lol? Based on what? How he speaks in public? His lack of history in governement?....as Gemi touched on he is nothing but a sock puppet.

-Has a specific plan....To begin with it doesnt mean he will follow it, doesnt mean it is any good, and also doesnt mean Mccain doesnt. Mccain has a set stance on pretty much as many issues as Obama does....on a very important one, where will they cut spending? They both dodged the Q THREE times on the debate.....and its quite obvious that Obama wants to increase spending and certainly not cut it.

-Hes articulate.....ARE YOU ****ING KIDDING ME? Ill be the first to admit that Mccain can not debate or give a speech for ****....but considering this a criteria to be a good president or run the country is laughable beyond belief.

-Just all around seems like a great guy.....pretty much as laughable as the previous point.

If these are the criterea people are using to vote then we are truely beyond any hope.

Heres a few points that could possibly, just MAYBE be important to research before a sheep is to make a voting choice.

-Tax/economic policy
-International relations policy
-Domestic policy
-Healthcare policy

We are on the brink of the next depression.....who we choose may very well send us into it or keep us out of it....yes both suck...but pick who sucks less based on actually important issues.

So if nothing else take like 30 min tonight and at least do a bit of research and decide for yourself before listening to what the media, your friends, and your family tell u.

One other random point to consider

What would be better...making a ****load of money from legalized online poker and having to pay over 60 percent of it in taxes to help those who cant be bothered to work.....or making slightly less from current online poker and having to pay the tax you do now.....and thats assuming there is even an economy left to fund legalized online poker.

Its not as cut and dry as so many people seem to making it out to be.
I am pretty sure that McCain would be better for online poker because he has a lot of physical tells.
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11-03-2008 , 06:25 PM
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Originally Posted by dajaka
Ok...I have been a long time lurker of this thread and had no desire to post....however comments like this are so far beyond stupid that I have to chime in.

Correct neither choice is good....however there is no proof anywhere that either Mccain or Obama would be good or bad for online poker. All that there is is speculation. Fact of the matter is it is not an important issue in this election, as much as we would all like to think it is.

Some points
-Obama will be more likely to sign a bill presented by a democratic congress which we well may have
-Mccain may be less likely to sign the same bill simply because it would be a democratic congress
-Neither has spoken on the issue at all.....and very likely neither will care about it enough in the next four years to even ponder it....it simply isnt important at this point in time.
-Mccain has several major casinos/gambling intrests that are large contributors to his campaign....if a bill were to come up that would allow them to open their own online sites it would seem extremely likely that he would vote for it.
-The worse the economy gets the less people will put money into it at all.

I will keep my own personal beliefs out of it.....however dont vote because of what you here. If you cant be bothered to do a bit of research and individual thought based on that then you will do far more harm than good.

A friend of a friend was telling me about a conversation they had with another prominent AP reg...who shall remain unnamed. Here were the given reasons why that person would be voting for Obama

-He is smart and educated
-Seems to have high morals
-He has a specific plan for once, which never happens
-He is articulate
-He just all around seems like a very good guy

These statements are terrifying beyond belief to anyone who can think logically, or at least they should be. Unforunatly it seems that a ton of otherwise smart and well to do people think the same.

Pondering these reasons

-Educated.....ok this is certainly the most valid of a huge list of intangibles

-Seems to have high morals....lol? Based on what? How he speaks in public? His lack of history in governement?....as Gemi touched on he is nothing but a sock puppet.

-Has a specific plan....To begin with it doesnt mean he will follow it, doesnt mean it is any good, and also doesnt mean Mccain doesnt. Mccain has a set stance on pretty much as many issues as Obama does....on a very important one, where will they cut spending? They both dodged the Q THREE times on the debate.....and its quite obvious that Obama wants to increase spending and certainly not cut it.

-Hes articulate.....ARE YOU ****ING KIDDING ME? Ill be the first to admit that Mccain can not debate or give a speech for ****....but considering this a criteria to be a good president or run the country is laughable beyond belief.

-Just all around seems like a great guy.....pretty much as laughable as the previous point.

If these are the criterea people are using to vote then we are truely beyond any hope.

Heres a few points that could possibly, just MAYBE be important to research before a sheep is to make a voting choice.

-Tax/economic policy
-International relations policy
-Domestic policy
-Healthcare policy

We are on the brink of the next depression.....who we choose may very well send us into it or keep us out of it....yes both suck...but pick who sucks less based on actually important issues.

So if nothing else take like 30 min tonight and at least do a bit of research and decide for yourself before listening to what the media, your friends, and your family tell u.

One other random point to consider

What would be better...making a ****load of money from legalized online poker and having to pay over 60 percent of it in taxes to help those who cant be bothered to work.....or making slightly less from current online poker and having to pay the tax you do now.....and thats assuming there is even an economy left to fund legalized online poker.

Its not as cut and dry as so many people seem to making it out to be.

ya, but obama isn't republican, therefore, i'm voting for him this time.

i don't really want GB the third
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11-03-2008 , 06:31 PM
McCain is rino.
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11-03-2008 , 06:38 PM
i think discounting that a candidate is well spoken and seems personable is pretty dumb. also, if one candidate were slightly less qualified but much better looking than the other, he gets my vote.
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11-03-2008 , 06:43 PM
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Originally Posted by GemiNiveK
And you don't mind using prepositions to end sentences with.
Ha! I've always hated that rule.
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11-03-2008 , 06:43 PM
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Originally Posted by milesdyson
also, if one candidate were slightly less qualified but much better looking than the other, he gets my vote.
Well in that case, since Obama stereotypically must have the biggest and most powerful c**k, he should get all the votes.
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11-03-2008 , 06:45 PM
Dude, don't out yourself and get banned and all posts deleted. Lay low a bit.
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11-03-2008 , 06:50 PM
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Miles....Sadly I dont think you are even kidding
do you realize how many words will be missed in important meetings because of people focusing on mccain's neck tumor?
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11-03-2008 , 07:01 PM
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Originally Posted by dajaka
Fine, fair enough point...I too would be staring at it.
I wanna try to pop it like a huge zit. I might have to lance it first. Think I could sell its contents on eBay?
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11-03-2008 , 07:15 PM
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Originally Posted by GemiNiveK
I wanna try to pop it like a huge zit. I might have to lance it first. Think I could sell its contents on eBay?

the fact that you are married gives me hope

you are a weird dude
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11-03-2008 , 07:20 PM
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Originally Posted by TheHip41
the fact that you are married gives me hope

you are a weird dude
I'll let you in on a little secret: F**k 'em in the head and you can f**k 'em anywhere you like. Now you know where to start!
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11-03-2008 , 07:26 PM
To say there is no difference with regards to Obama and McCain re: poker is blatantly wrong.

Can I remind people again that being anti-online gambling is in the Republican Party Platform?

Yes, Obama may veto pro-online gaming legislation. That is a possibility. But McCain almost certainly will.

And don't let anybody scare you into thinking 60% taxes are realistic. (for those making mega $$) Obama's plan is basically just a repeal of the Bush Tax Cuts. Think of Clinton era taxation, and you'll be pretty close.

Of course - you'd be an idiot to listen to advice from some random forum troll. I would suggest that all of you who are politically apathetic should do some research tonight. (You can probably start by YouTubing the Presidential debates. And...please...watch closely. if you try to play poker / watch porn at the same time, I guarantee you'll get worse than nothing out of it.)
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11-03-2008 , 07:39 PM
Legalized online poker (and other skill games) will become a reality once someone in government finally realizes how much money can be made. Right now they think they get more money from the B&M casino and horse racing industries. It's really not about appeasing the religious right (although that's a nice cover). It's all about the Benjamins. No one is more greedy and more capitalistic than the GOP. They just don't see the $$$ yet. YET.
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11-03-2008 , 08:05 PM
If you pay close attention to the Obama camp, it is very easy to recognize that they believe in a socialistic and almost communistic approach to distribution of wealth. They think that anyone who is "well off" or "wealthy" in any way owes it to the society that made them wealthy to give back to that society. But rather than provide incentives for them to give back, they'd just take it, blow a sh*tload of it on administrative costs of big government, and redistribute it.

What they (and most of the democrats) fail to realize is that the truly "wealthy" will simply move their wealth out of the country as many have already done. Unemployment will rise as it already has. Tax and spend DOES NOT WORK.

While I agree that most people are too short-sighted to save for retirement, too weak to take good care of themselves (eat right, exercise, etc.), and certainly too undisciplined to show or otherwise teach their children anything about personal responsibility and accountability, that's certainly no reason to bail them out by "redistributing" the wealth. F**k 'em. Don't perpetuate the weakness and stupidity by rewarding it and therefore fostering it. I'm not saying we need to make it a point to punish it, either. Let it run its own course. Quit telling people that they are "special" and that they "deserve" sh*t, and especially that they should look to the government to provide it. Entitlement mentality makes me violent. OK, I'm starting to sound a little too much like Ayn Rand...

Our two main parties are a joke. One would take away all your money and try to redistribute it. One would take away all your rights to privacy, force you to be a Christian, and embark upon worldwide crusades (acting like it's about God when it's really about power...you know, the reason God was invented in the first place). The Libertarians have all the right ideas about how things "should be" but no feasible plan to "get there from here." The American public at large has had it so good for so long that they've forgotten how to think for themselves. Having it too easy breeds complacency and eventually incompetence. And now the constitution hangs from a thread and the people get what they deserve. Good times! End of rant (for now). STFU and GBTW.
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11-03-2008 , 08:10 PM
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Originally Posted by dajaka
.... wordy rant ...
the world just got a little dumber and I got a lot more tilted because of this post
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11-03-2008 , 08:10 PM
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Originally Posted by ILOVEPOKER929
Ha! I've always hated that rule.
Then you'd be better off going back to quoting definitions straight off Wikipedia. BTW, it is very nice to know that you are taking an active role in defining the outcomes of the things that you are passionate.
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11-03-2008 , 08:24 PM
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Originally Posted by GemiNiveK
Legalized online poker (and other skill games) will become a reality once someone in government finally realizes how much money can be made. Right now they think they get more money from the B&M casino and horse racing industries. It's really not about appeasing the religious right (although that's a nice cover). It's all about the Benjamins. No one is more greedy and more capitalistic than the GOP. They just don't see the $$$ yet. YET.
is this really preferable?

I don't want my meager winnings heavily taxed.
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11-03-2008 , 08:33 PM
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Originally Posted by dajaka
Chances are the govt profits will come from site profits....which could lead to higher rake but in a field of heavier competition will probably actually lead to lower rake.

Edit- If you feel that way make sure u do in fact get out and vote...and not for Obama
Government profits will definitely come primarily from site profits, not from taxing winnings/earnings. If the rake gets a little bigger, then you'll just have to play higher stakes to mitigate it. That's fine by me, I guess.
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11-03-2008 , 08:34 PM
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Then you'd be better off going back to quoting definitions straight off Wikipedia. BTW, it is very nice to know that you are taking an active role in defining the outcomes of the things that you are passionate.
If/when you get a chance... Please sit on my face. Thanks.
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