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awesome

Well this comes down to individual preference. What you're saying is if a 500lb girl had sex with you without your consent or a guy gave you head without your consent, this would be a net-suffering event for you. In this case I would say the 500lb girl and the BJ giving guy are acting immorally. I.E. they are causing more suffering in the universe.

In Walsh's hypothetical case of having sex with mentally incapacitated people it is not clear what role individual preference plays. By definition this can only be made clear on a case by case basis. So we are free to imagine cases where the event would be a pleasurable one for the aforementioned party.

my favorite lines from ilp's post


Both her parents know about this and they think it's a good thing too.

-this is funny, but kinda sums up what kind of girl they raised


It's all about pressure and time.



Even if there's no bait on your hook, sooner or later some fish will be dumb enough to bite it

-there's someone for everyone man

i understand

from the girl's perspective

if brad pitt got on the ******ed girl = ok

if you got on ******ed girl = rape

it's probably a good thing you haven't introduced your new girlfriends to 2p2

Also, if you wanna know the nuts and bolts of what exactly I write a girl to get them to date me. Here is a PM from 3/2/09 between me and another 2+2er. I think everything's covered in there. The actual Match.com emails to "the hot blond girl" and "Lauren" are examples of emails that lead to first dates. Warning this is serious tl;dr:

I could pontificate about this stuff for hours but instead what I'm gonna try to do is focus on SHOWING you what I do instead of telling you. I do think there are some things I'm doing fundamentally right.

1) You want to encourage girls to wink at you. Many girls may feel like winking is lazy (cuz it is). They may feel that writing a nice message is the proper route, but sometimes they'll be too tired to write a message as this does take real mental effort. Clicking that wink button takes no effort and you want to encourage girls to be lazy like that cuz you'll get more action. How do you do that? Simple. Tell them to do that in your profile. Here's an excerpt from mine:

As far as my perfect match...I don't have one. I'm not really after perfection. Just leads to unnecessary misery. If you like doing some of the things I like doing and you're in decent shape then give me a wink and let's see what happens.

2) After a girl winks at you, you're goal should be to line up a first date. Some guys may exchange a few more emails after this point. I don't do this. I don't screw around. Remember, these girls are getting bombarded by emails from other guys. So I get straight to the point. Here is my response to the hot blond girl in my last PM to you, right after her wink:

Thanx for the wink.

I really enjoyed reading your profile. I like the fact that you try to look at things in a positive way. That's the way I approach life. I see you're into dancing. I have basically never danced in my life but I would like to learn.

You seem like a really cool person. Honest, loyal, generous, family oriented...Those are the qualities I want in someone so I'm very interested. If you're down for it, lets meet up for dinner/lunch at Red Lobster sometime. Maybe sometime this week if you're available. There's one in Ann Arbor on Carpenter Rd.

This may sound a bit fast but I love going out to eat and I enjoy meeting new people. I have zero expectations beyond having a nice meal and if we hit it off we can let each other know later through email. You don't even have to look at it like a date. Just two hungry people eating together I'll talk to you later,

-Wes

Here's my message to Lauren right after her wink:

Hey Lauren,

Thanx for the wink. I enjoyed reading your profile. I feel the same way as you when I think about the perfect relationship. I never see what the girl looks like, but I know my life will better with her in it. I don't mind at all that you have a kid, although I must admit I'm glad it's a boy

I would be very interested in going out to dinner with you some time. Perhaps even later this week if you're free. That may sound a bit fast but I love going out to eat and I enjoy meeting new people. I have zero expectations beyond having a nice meal and if we hit it off we can let each other know later through email. You don't even have to look at it like a date. Just two hungry people eating together If you can't get a babysitter for your son, just bring him. Let me know what your favorite restaurant is in your area and that's where we'll go. I'll talk to you soon,

-Wes

You can see an obvious trend here. I try to reference something about their profile showing them I actually read it. Then I move in for the kill. Pay attention to the last paragraphs in both emails. That "zero expectations" "you don't even have to look at it as a date" "If we hit off we'll let each other know through email" bs stuff. These lines work like gold.

After a girl winks at me, I would say I get a first date over 90% of the time. And I do think those lines have something to do with. I'm basically trying to take all the pressure off the girl. You're basically letting the girl know that you'll both part ways after the meal whether you like each other or not. This eliminates like 95% of the pressure and girls love that.

The fact that I say we will let each other know if we like each other through email afterward is very important because it means I will never reject her on the first date and she'll never have to reject me. Girls also love that. They know instantly that they'll never have a bad experience with me. In fact sometimes I emphasize this point further by saying, "Even if we don't hit it off we'll still have a fun time and have some good food"

Other fundamentals to keep in mind. Always suggest meeting the girl near where she lives and obv if she says what her favorite food/place is in her profile, utilize that info. I told the hot blond girl lets meet at Red Lobster in Ann Arbor cuz her profile said she loves sea food and that's where she lives. We ended up meeting in a different city due to her school schedule so I just picked the best seafood place there.

I always operate as if no girl will ever wink at me. No use hoping something will happen, I'd rather try to make something happen. When I'm in my active mode (I go through spurts) I try to write around 5 girls a day on average.

Once I get around 3 responses, I stop writing new emails and focus on the responses but there's no set rule here. Ideally, you'd like to have some girls you're trying to set up dates with and a farm system of girls you're trying to get responses from. And ideally, if the dates don't work out some girls from the farm system will conveniently step up so you can work on the next generation and build a new farm system also.

I actually don't. Since I crave sex so much I generally try to email girls I think I can get. My ideal girl is a butterface skinny girl. I'll loving ****ing her cuz she's skinny and I have a decent chance at her cuz of the butterface. I also focus on skinny girls with kid(s) since other guys will probably not write her as much, Skinny girls with no pics for same reason and all skinny Asians cuz I seem to have better luck with them. I'll also write girls that are 10-20lbs overweight, but I prefer not too.

Funny thing is, I never would've wrote the Lauren girl or the hot blond. They are too hot. But they winked at me, and I took it from there.

Also, I have nothing against writing lots of hotties. I really should be doing that too and I have no way of deflecting criticism on this account. One of my friends even said, "You only try to go for the base hits. You never try to hit the homerun." He has a point. I just think that the return on writing hot girls is not high enough to compensate for the energy it takes to write them. Of course one could argue that you may strike out with the hot girl more often but all it takes is one success and now you're ****ing a hot girl! My response:

1) Whether I'm with a butterface skinny girl or a hot girl, my penis can't tell the difference. All my penis cares about is that a girl's skinny. So why write hot girls that almost never write back?

2) Even if 1) is not true. Even if I would get turned on more by the hot girl, a hot girl is still no panacea for me. Hot girl or BF skinny, it's still going to get to the point where I can't stand them and I'll end up breaking up with them as I always do. That's the summary of my existence. I hate being single and I hate having a girlfriend. The only time I'm happy is the first month I'm banging a girl (yay pussy!) and the first month I'm single after I break up with a girl (yay freedom!).

Never ever ever wink at a girl. I can tell you from direct experience that I have a 0% response rate from winks. There were times when I used to wink at girls just cuz I was too lazy to write, or they werent hot enough to waste my time with a well thought out email or they were too hot so I didn't want to waste my time that way either. Bottom line: No girl ever wrote back and that makes perfect sense. It's almost as if they know you thought they weren't worth a real email Winking was really made for girls, not guys. Women expect guys to do some work. Try to be lazy and you'll be penalized.

OK so in Hip's case of getting head from guys (theoretical I think?) it is a net bad thing b/c he was gaining the pleasure under false pretenses. I know this is a bit of a stretch but isn't this similar to the false pretense the black girl is getting thinking she is the only one with you? I'm not calling you a terrible person or anything. I just believe sex is something anybody can enjoy in any way they want (straight, lesbian, swinger, orgy, etc.), as long as they are honest with the other person.

I would call it a net bad thing because TheHip doesn't prefer 500lb girls or guys giving him head due to biological and cultural conditioning. That fact that TheHip's erogenous zones can be stimulated in both cases does not overcome his preferred desire to not be in sexual contact with these people. An analogous example would be a girl getting raped.

You're right. That's why I said this to Palo:

From a moral perspective, I don't think that lying is innately bad. The old chestnut of the Nazi's knocking on your door asking if you are hiding Jews shows that much. I'm a utilitarian so what matters to me is, does my lying to the black girl and the Asian girl cause them potential suffering? To answer this question, all I can do is try to imagine what would happen if they found out.

I think they would both be peeved at the deception itself, but I think the suffering would be minimal. The reason I think that is because I have been very frank with them letting them know I never want to get married or have kids. I have even literally told the black girl that I see no long term future with her cause we have absolutely nothing in common. Amazingly and inexplicably, she still wants to see me. So since they both want to get married, they both know they're wasting their time with me. One of the biggest crime in lying to a girl in these situations is wasting their time, but they already know that is the case. The other main crime involves hurting them emotionally, but this is primarily a function of how emotionally invested they are in our relation. I will address this at the end of the next paragraph.

I believe if they found out what was going on they would both stop seeing me but I honestly think they would be over it in a few hours at most. Possibly even instantly. The Asian girl has already tried to break up with me twice. Once cause I mentioned to her I would like to have sex with my friend's girlfriend (Yes sometimes I am that stupid) and the other time was cuz I planned a Vegas trip and never asked her if she wanted to go (whatever, it's not a vacation if you have to bring your girl). So I told the black girl "we have no future" and the Asian is already itching to break up with me so I doubt either girl is that emotionally invested in our relationship.

So yes my lying may cause them potential suffering and that alone makes it immoral in my book, but it's not a large enough amount to concern me or make me feel guilty. Spoken like a true sleazeball!

10,150 and counting...

let's play "spot that lie"


1. I really enjoyed reading your profile.

2. I have basically never danced in my life but I would like to learn.

3. I have zero expectations beyond having a nice meal

4. You don't even have to look at it like a date.

5. I don't mind at all that you have a kid

6. If you can't get a babysitter for your son, just bring him. (my personal fav)

but you are missing the point. here, i'll explain



black girl =/= wes

<<<<*** IT>>>> ILP FOR PRESIDENT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

NH

There was an update on UB today. The old defualt skin was the black background with the red chairs. The new defualt is different, and out of all the new skins you cant get the black background (the old defualt skin). Could somebody who hasn't updated yet upload the old defualt skin with the black background please? For HU/6max/9max.

Tables look the same to me. The lobby is different though. Little icons for jackpot, turbo, etc, then a BIG cashier button instead of the little guy. Looks good.

Does anyone else's lobby jump around all the time since the last update?

Any fixes for it? It's kind of annoying when I'm looking for a good game and the tables and position of focus on my lobby keep moving around.

yes its annoying

i have no solution

thread appropriate imo

Bankok Nights heat changing-strip coffee mug

OMFG. I swear to god I am buying this for my dad for Christmas. He even admitted to me that Ladyboy made him realize he's not as heterosexual as he once thought (a big statement coming from the older homophobic generation). What a perfect gift!

Edit: F**k, nevermind. I can't justify spending $28 on a mug.

i've dug around for 15 minutes and can't find my answer so i'll just ask here --

what's the rakeback % for bonus clearing at the lowest VIP level?

and its separate from affiliate rakeback completely, amirite?

Not sure at the lowest level but at the highest it is around 10% if I remember correctly. And yes it is seperate from Rakeback deals.

just checked up on our good friend chuckk99




cruel irony warms the cockles of my heart

What of it?

i love he got the triple check raise money bag.


grader:

PF: F you are 173% looser than optimal

PF Agg: F you are 122% more aggressive than optimal


so awesome