Palomino,

Lets say for the sake of arguement that I do in fact have a problem with homosexuals. As I have already stated I dont but this will make the hypothetical better.

So you think less of me in this situation because I think less of homosexuals.

However my own sexual preferences lean towards small mammals, or children...it doesnt really matter which, simply something that is farther from societal norms.

Will you pass no judgement on me based on my love of inserting my anatomy into animals?

Given the stance you have taken I would certainly hope that you didnt. If everyone must be accepting of gays then we must also be equally accepting of other sexual persuasions.

If you think even slightly otherwise you would be no diff compared to the image of me that you have.

So are you totally and fully accepting of whatever my desire?

I would venture a guess and say that you are in fact very similar to the image of me that you hold.

Am I wrong?

Wow, this is much more interesting that a Con Law lecture. I am fascinated.

I wouldn't judge you. Why I wouldn't judge you can best be summed up by another 2+2er:

However, this doesn't mean I won't judge the act in question. I may not hold it against a psycho for killing someone but I will still say killing is morally wrong.

Homosexuality is not analogous to bestiality or pedophilia due to consent issues. Can a child or animal give meaningful consent? I don't think so.

If we talk about it on a desire only level it is equal.

I get judged for not liking people who desire to be with others of the same sex. However that same person would possibly judge me for desiring to have sex with children. Therefor they really arent any different.

I will agree that once they progress to the point of execution they are no longer analogous of each other but that doesnt matter for my point.

I should also clarify that I have no problem with anyone judging anyone for anything. That is their right.

3 month, diamond elite thing...

what does it mean? mntbikr, do you know?

It is so naive for one to use the "having sex with animals = homosexuality" argument. Reminds me of people's reasoning for banning gay marriage....if we allow gays to get married, what's next? You can marry your mom? your dog? Honestly, this is just dumb.

And you were quite demeaning in your AIM chat, you have kept it (slightly) cleaner here.

Also, I do not believe my way is the only way, and I do not push my ideals on others. I actually have a good friend that was voting for McCain. We discussed several issues in an adult manner and we agreed to disagree. No problem. Hasn't affected our friendship in the least. You were the one that attacked me after I posted on here that I was voting for Obama. I never said a word to you.

I dont recall talking with you about either sexual preference or race in chat.

Frankly I dont see how my position on animals/homosexuality is anything but correct.

What is the reasoning to the contrary? As much as I love getting people going I am sincerly curious on this.

Note- I dont care if gays want to marry...I also wouldnt care if people wanted to marry their mom, or their for that matter, although as ILP touched on the dog is a diff issue since he cant exactly consent. None of the above is my thing but to each their own.

You say attacked, I say tried to figure out why in the world you were voting the way you did. You then told me you would tell me your real reasons later....thats all I wanted to happen.

Random tidbit, you take me far to seriously most times, makes me chuckle though.

I cant speak to 2/4 and 3/6 but the 5/10 action has been decent.

Don't worry, you are not making my blood boil. As for attacked, it's obviously hard to determine tone over AIM, but your tone seemed rather aggressive. As for being racist and prejudiced in our conversation there were many points where I was shocked by some of your statements...this is the reason I have decided to cease communication. (Although it seems I am failing in that). I have no problem with people having different views from me, but I cannot tolerate intolerance (ironic, huh?). If I'm wrong about you, so be it. However, your comments about the homosexuality/beastiality thing are so outlandish and ridiculous that it proves many of my suspicions about you.

I must once again say, enjoy your life bikr, I am going to try once again to ignore you. We shall see if I can succeed this time.

All im asking for now is an explantion of why my viewpoint is so outlandish.

This should be easy to provide if it is.

I love people who make statements like that and dont even bother to try and present their obviously much more correct side of the arguement.

I dont even have the first clue of where to look to find it on my own.

Consider it your duty to educate this ignorant bigot!

how does the 3 month thing work with diamond elite? do i keep the status for 3 months? so all i have to do is get enough points every 3rd month?

please explain.

Dont know what u mean

from AP's "fame" web page

Once you get it you have it for 3 months, you have to then get 30k points over the next 3 months to maintain. The catch is that you still need to get 10k points/ month to earn your 9% interest.

which is the whole point of getting DE

has anyone here got DE 3 months in a row?

I think I follow you here and I agree with you on this point. I don't think there are any desires that are intrinsically good or evil since good and evil are not real properties of this universe. They're just descriptive labels humans made up to classify what is acceptable and what is not. How we determine what behavior is acceptable is largely dependent on historical accident. Most humans deem pedophilia unacceptable. Bonobos think it's the nuts. This development could've easily been reversed.

In order for anyone to dislike someone solely because they enjoy having sex with the same gender, there has to be an irrational believe structure at work. Not only do I think it's ok to criticize any/all irrational belief systems, I think it's imperative to speak out against them assuming one cares about the future of humanity.

In a world of WMDs and exponential technological growth curves, I don't think it takes much thought to realize that irrational beliefs such as "Heterosexuals > H0mosexuals", "All infidels must die", "non-Jesus believers should go to hell", "My country > your country", pose a great danger to us all. There is a meme war going on right now and for humans to have a shot at making it through the 21st century without blowing themselves up, almost all "hate memes" will have to be eradicated or at least subdued.

Like I indicated before, if you desire children I don't think you should be judged for this. In the game of desires you were simply dealt 72o. Conversely, someone who was born/conditioned to have desires that mesh well with the majority would've been dealt something like AA. Judging someone for having bad luck or good luck is nonsensical.

At the same time though, just because we shouldn't judge people doesn't mean we have to like them. There's nothing wrong with blocking someone from AIM if that person rubs us the wrong way. I have an uncle who's in prison for molesting young boys and girls. I feel the utmost compassion for his condition just like I would for someone who has Ted Bundy's condition, but I would still never wanna hang out with either of these guys.

It's so easy to be a white, staight male in this country....consider yourselves lucky for you will never have to truly deal with discrimination for things that you have no control over. It's so easy to hate what you don't understand that it's nice to see someone speak out against the "meme" people.

I could be wrong but I think my life would be easier/more fun if I were bisexual. If a bisexual pill existed right now that would make me like guys just as much as I like girls, I would insta-take it.

in before hitler!

I dont get why heterosexual sex is different than homosexual sex.

If you lump homosexual relations in together with bestiality why make the difference between heterosexual relations and bestiality.

I dont get why civil rights/liberties for people who have homosexual relations based on consent could be a problem.

a lil bestiality every once in awhile never hurt a guy

ILP...were pretty much on the same page.

Im partly playing devils advocate and partly trying to understand.

I quite honestly harbor no anger or contempt for gays....or anyone particular "group" of people.

I suppose you could lump everyone that acts a certain way into a "group" and call it prejudice but I dont think thats really fair.