I read somewhere that the big casinos (Harrah's, Ameristar, Caesar's, etc.) would probably collect a "membership fee" of some sort to help cover the taxes/fees. You'd earn player points much like you do in their B&Ms that you could redeem at their B&Ms and in their online stores and such. Where there's a will, there's a way. The big B&Ms are ready and willing.

UAW is an excellent example of the failed Democratic way, among others, that promotes that sense of entitlement from others. They are too short-sighted in taking and taking and taking, that they fail to realize that this money well will eventually run out of money and they will go down with it. It is given that that is just one of the reasons that the American automakers fail, but it certainly is one of the biggest spending out of their profits; especially when you are paying somebody 95% of his pay rate when he is not working.

And yes, the only reason that the Govt has not yet legalized online poker is because there probably has not been a Contractor/Vendor who offered a software system to track each US player's income from it where they can over-tax it since obviously playing online poker does not require too much physical labor so it is probably categorized as white-collar profession.

Meager? Oh right. I've heard you're one of the best ones out there.

That's awesome. At least you have that freedom knowing that your financial well-being is not in some dude's hands of having a bad day because his wife didn't put out the night before.

What's that movie with eddie murphy playing multiple roles? but not the fat doctor one. o and not the one where he's a vampire or whatever. & no not the fat woman one. o ya.

COMING to America


anyway point i was getting at is there's nothing different this year than those previous

Steelers = Obama
Redskins = McCain

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Coming to America

ROFL. I think he likes the movie Riding Nemo better than watching an immigrant porno

Um...so not true. That dude with blue balls could be the client that fires me in the middle of a huge project while I'm sitting on $80K worth of inventory just for him. Or he could be a key employee who pisses off that client. Or he could be that IRS agent who doesn't like how I accounted for my sub-contractors. There's *always* someone who can yank your chain and really f**k up your life. I feel personally responsible for the welfare of the people who work for me as well as their families. I can't ever really escape work. I think about it all the time no matter where I am. So, it's the same sh*t, just a different angle...

OMG you know me so well!

Not Cuming to America, but Coming to America

Um...no. Those are lies spread in a mass email circulating on the internet...and are dispelled at factcheck.org here.

Next time you say something comes from Obama's mouth, you should probably just post the video clip considering that your written words are now worthless.


It's brutal, it's honest. I disagree with your POV, but at least you're not making **** up.

great flick btw

Involuntary redistribution of wealth is a disincentive for people to earn. It does not make things better...ever. Why work hard if it's just going to be taken away and given to someone who sits on their ass (by comparison)? Why work hard when you'll be fine 'cause the government will give you someone else's wealth? Eventually, more people are employed by the government than by private enterprise, and most industries become run by the state. Anyone with an above average IQ and the means to leave certainly will do so, unless of course the government prohibits that in some way (inevitable). <Mr. Rogers Voice> Can anyone think of a country like this? Sure...I knew you could! </Mr. Rogers Voice>

See...people say this, but we haven't really see that play out thus far. Even under Bush you're being taxed disproportionately. Under Clinton it was probably worse - yet I bet you were still working hard back then.

At some point you might be right and a large part of the US might just decide to work part time at Burger King and play video games most of the day on the countrys dime. I, however, think we are a long way from there.

It's really all just a balancing act. I thought we had a good balance going in the Clinton era. I'd like to return to that. I don't imagine the tax burden was unbearably high for you then, and I don't believe it will be under Obama either. Hard work will still be rewarded.

Lastly, be careful about those underachievers in society you say '**** You!' to. You can keep a small percentage of the population at a poor standard of living and let the police deal with it. But allowing a significant amount of inequality to persist is ultimately a very bad idea.

In a real world, the masses eventually overwhelm the small oasis built by the likes of John Galt and typically prefer to use such devices as the guillotine on him and his friends.

Who is John Galt?

I come from a so called socialistic country (tax is between 44-75%) and people work more than ever, the unemployment is low and the big problem is that there is to few people to the amount of work there is.

I create jobs in my local economy. I bring new money to my local economy and try very hard to keep money there as well. I provide a service as well as products that I believe allow my clients to be more productive and more competitive. Yet I pay more in annual taxes than my average employee's gross salary. Health insurance costs for my employees just went up another 37% and I can't shop around because my group isn't big enough to avoid underwriting and therefore I'd be totally screwing the employees and/or their dependents who have preexisting conditions. I set up a really nice 401(k) plan only to have everyone whine because the market is doing so badly (guess I should have handed out gold bullion). We're struggling to keep it all together and surviving somehow. The Obama Plan will treat me like some Fat Cat and "redistribute" what I would have used to give existing employees a raise, hire more employees, or otherwise grow my business. His plan gives me all the incentive in the world to make damn sure there's no "profits" at the end of the year (as if the IRS didn't already do a pretty good job of that).

It's been a pleasure discussing this with you, but Obama will never get my vote. If he makes it into office, I will certainly give the office the respect that it deserves and give him every chance to prove me wrong. I think I would be marginally better off with McCain in office, but that brings to light a whole other list of concerns...

Awesome. It makes my day when I can bring a long time lurker onto the boards.
I get that 99.9% of the U.S. population doesn't give a **** about online poker. And that for the vast majority it's a meaningless issue. But I'm not in the vast majority here. It means a lot to me.

The last 3 pages of this thread is the reason I don't discuss or pay attention to politics. It's smoke are mirrors. The candidates are saying whatever they think will give them the best chance at winning. That's what politians do. Any other strategy would be sub-optimal.

The reason I refuse to do my own research is because I'm not a political science major or economist. I could read stuff, form opinions and make arguments all day. And I still wouldn't have a clue what I was talking about. You can listen to each candidates arguments, but if you're not very well educated in economics, you're not going to be able to determine which candidate's plan is best for the country.

I have read a few threads in the legislation forum and everyone seemed to agree that Obama would be less likely to veto pro-online gambling legislation than McCain. That's all I need.

But don't worry, the probability that my vote will decide the election is on the order of 10^-8 (maybe less I couldn't really tell from the graph).

And according to fivethirtyeight.com McCain is down to 1.9%. Is anyone still offering 4:1?

I like pizza, Steve.

Please learn how to spell McCain before you vote. Geez. That makes me cringe.

DAJAKA FOR PRESIDENT!!!!

Larm - we can't even use the world 'socialist' in our country for fear of being called 'unpatriotic' or 'communist'. Not kidding at all.

OK, I will admit I was the one who made these statements, but I was talking with Bikr while playing and told him I didn't want to talk politics. The statements weren't thought out because I was busy trying to make money. I have many reasons why I will vote for Obama and I just threw some **** out to Bikr to get him to shut the hell up.

BTW, dajaka...is that really bikr? Just curious. You are talking exactly like he did last night on IM. And to take statements that I said on an IM conversation is just ridiculous. If we could have a meaningful conversation I could better explain my side. I am intelligent and educated, and I have researched and watched all of the debates. I can't back anything that McPalin stand for. Just the fact that he chose Palin as a running mate...I mean, doesn't that show a severe lack of judgment?

And if you think my "reasons" for voting for Obama are bad, then you will love what Bikr said to me....

Something along the lines of "do you really want to give all of your winnings to fat, lazy black people?" I mean really, how ****ing racist can you be.

what other sources are you comparing with fivethirtyeight?

i trust the guys who run that site, and i believe the 1.9% figure, which is based on all the major national polls. i mean, look at the poll results posted on the site. the smallest margin for obama is +4.5 of the national 11 polls they list.