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Old 07-27-2021, 05:11 PM   #1
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Maybe overthinking this?

Quick hand from last night 8/16

Two bb, 7 handed. I am in the normal bb position.

Folds to button who raises. Sb who posted a bb calls, I call with K7hh

Flop QsTs3h

x/x/button bets/sb fold

What would you do here? Is this just a pure fold or a good spot to mix things up?

My reads on button are that he is not a nit, but also not an especially loose player.
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Old 07-28-2021, 03:30 AM   #2
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Re: Maybe overthinking this?

I would c/r and barrel at least the turn. Raising > folding >>>>>> calling imo
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Old 07-31-2021, 08:38 PM   #3
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Re: Maybe overthinking this?

YIKES!

Don't even think about doing that. You called pre w/ a reasonable hand but that board is easily in a PFR's range and you have essentially nothing. It's a fold, no thinking required.
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Old 07-31-2021, 10:24 PM   #4
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I would c/r and barrel at least the turn. Raising > folding >>>>>> calling imo
I suppose I get the concept , but don’t we have already a ton of better draws we c/r here ?

C/c seem perfectly fine to me.

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Old 08-01-2021, 05:57 PM   #5
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Re: Maybe overthinking this?

Here's a piece of equipment some of you ppl should bring to the poker room:

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Old 08-01-2021, 08:57 PM   #6
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Re: Maybe overthinking this?

I mean we need some weak draws/air in our check/raise range, donít we?
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Old 08-01-2021, 09:29 PM   #7
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Re: Maybe overthinking this?

Why?

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Old 08-01-2021, 11:36 PM   #8
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Re: Maybe overthinking this?

Well otherwise they can bet profitably with ATC and make a profit. Not saying that’s what’s going on, but in theory.
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Old 08-02-2021, 12:06 AM   #9
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Well otherwise they can bet profitably with ATC and make a profit. Not saying that’s what’s going on, but in theory.
That is great if they abuse betting because you will always have higher IO when you hit your weak draws on the big streets .

Just have a good bluff catch range and let him burn his money .
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Old 08-02-2021, 06:23 AM   #10
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The typical small stakes reg mindlessly cbets almost every flop and then bets way too many turns. Kh7h shouldn't call against this type of player because it's just going to end up having to fold most turns. Putting in a call with a trashy hand only to have to mostly fold it on the turn is a terrible way to play poker.

Check-raising is a good play even heads up BTN vs. BB against the typical small stakes reg, but it become extremely powerful when there are two small bets of dead money from the SB in the pot. This gives us even better odds on our bluff. The BTN is going to need to know how to defend himself properly against our barrage of check-raises, but very few small stakes players know how to do so. Off the top of my head, I think BTN needs to call down our river barrels with garbage like AJ or even KJ and all of his trashy pairs to stop us from profiting hugely with our check-raise spam. Against a lot of small stakes players, you can actually check-raise pure air in this spot and profit. BTN may realize he is being exploited, but he is unlikely to know what to do about it.

Yes, we have a lot of flush draws and some straight draws that we can check-raise on the flop. But I am very greedy. I want to win way more than my fair share of pots against bad regs. So I sometimes check-raise these hands on the flop, but more often I like to wait to raise the turn or the river with my flush draws and OESDs.

The typical small stakes reg will make absolutely horrible adjustments to this type of play. They will generally view you as a spazzy idiot and decide to start overplaying their good made hands against you. This is great news. Now you get to win a lot more bets against them with your own strong hands in addition to robbing them with your bluff spam.
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Old 08-02-2021, 11:47 AM   #11
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Re: Maybe overthinking this?

If they are the always bet the turn type calling is the worst option. If they are the type who will bet the flop and then give up then calling is a fine option. You will be able to often bet the river and take it down. Many of these players are just done with the hand after you call the flop even with their big Ace highs. They are the types who complain that they never hit anything when they raise AK.

My concern with small stakes players is that some have a flat range of raising hands. They may only be raising 20% on the button or even tighter than that. If this is the case I think we are too far behind his range to continue on this board. In this particular hand there are two blinds. Some players may think more dead money in the pot to steal. Others may think there is no way I'm stealing two blinds I need to tighten up.

No doubt CR the flop with a wide range can be profitable against some players. Choose your victim wisely.
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