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KK I have to bet this river KK I have to bet this river

06-16-2024 , 11:10 AM
Ignition - $1/$2 (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (CO): 58.21 BB
BTN: 59.81 BB
SB: 32.18 BB
BB: 106.42 BB
UTG: 94.33 BB
MP: 45.18 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has K K


UTG raises to 2 BB, MP calls 2 BB, Hero raises to 3 BB, fold, fold, BB calls 2 BB, UTG calls 1 BB, MP calls 1 BB

Flop: (12.5 BB, 4 players) 2 8 T
BB checks, UTG checks, MP checks, Hero bets 1 BB, fold, UTG calls 1 BB, MP calls 1 BB

Turn: (15.5 BB, 3 players) T
UTG checks, MP checks, Hero bets 2 BB, UTG calls 2 BB, MP calls 2 BB

River: (21.5 BB, 3 players) 9
UTG checks, MP checks, Hero checks
KK I have to bet this river Quote
06-16-2024 , 01:36 PM
Agreed, river bet/call 1 and fold for 2 more is good. Rest is good.
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06-23-2024 , 10:34 AM
One exercise that I've found to be constructive is combo counting. It's overkill, but it can be a fun little mental exercise away from the table that if you do it long enough starts to become second nature AT the table, giving you a huge advantage.

For UTG, pick any "standard" opening range from 3 seats to the right of the button and remove everything that's a "standard" 4-bet.
Count the combos.
Readless, I'd give MP a coldcalling range of any pair, any 2 broadways, any suited connectors and 1-gappers down to 64s/54s, any suited ace and most suited kings.
Count the combos.
Remove all of the combos you'd "expect" them to either fold or raise on the flop. Count the combos again.
Remove all of the combos you'd "expect" them to either fold or raise on the turn. Count the combos again.
Now out of everything that's left, count the combos that improved to something that now beats you on the river. Also count the combos that remain that do NOT have you beat but will still call a bet in that huge pot. Will you be ahead when called more often than you'll be behind when called? If so, bet.

Of course, you don't actually "know" how the villains will play, but if you at least START with a "standard" range based on either books or on any reads you have on the villains, you at least establish a "starting point".

One thing I say in a lot of threads is this: In many fields, natural talent is almost a prerequisite - music, mathematics, athletics, art - someone with abundant natural talent has an almost insurmountable head start over someone with no natural talent. Of course, between two people with similar natural talent, the harder worker is invariably going to be more successful.

In poker, the difference that natural talent makes is almost negligible. Pick any two poker players and chances are the harder worker is the more successful player.

What's the point to all of this? Simple: Those who are willing to put in the time to actually do these exercises away from the table give themselves HUGE ADVANTAGES over those who are not.
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06-25-2024 , 10:11 AM
In this large pot, your opponents are incentivized to call you with very little -- nobody is really folding a pair by the river and you will even sometimes get looked up by ace high. You get to do a lot of value betting, but very little bluffing. There is no reason for you to believe you are beat. You just have a very strong hand and a straightforward value bet. If you get raised, call and expect to mostly lose but sometimes win against the occasional 9 that thinks it is good now, missed draw turned into a bluff, or some spazzy hand.
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