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06-15-2022 , 02:38 PM
15-30 limit holdem at Parx PA

Game lost a couple of players so is suddenly 5 handed. UTG seems clueless but button seems solid; I've seen him mostly playing 40-80 so he's playing below his normal stakes.


UTG calls, button raises, I call one small bet with Qc4c in the BB.

Flop is Qs As 4h

I check, looking to checkraise the preflop raiser.

My plan works.... UTG checks, button bets, I raise, UTG folds, and button calls.

Turn is Ad and the action is on me.

Uh oh... Would you bet out or go into check-call-assess mode?
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06-15-2022 , 04:11 PM
There’s no real advantage to betting here. Pre is a little loose, but whatever
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06-15-2022 , 04:19 PM
I check and hope he checks behind. I’d probably peel here and think about calling down if the flush misses. Even if he checks here I think I check the river to try to induce if a blank hits.

Do you think he would 3-bet a strong FD HU OTF? Can we discount that from his range or not?
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06-17-2022 , 12:27 PM
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Originally Posted by ninefingershuffle
There’s no real advantage to betting here. Pre is a little loose, but whatever
I don't think pre is a little loose at all here, especially 5 handed.
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06-17-2022 , 01:00 PM
3 handed
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06-18-2022 , 12:18 PM
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Originally Posted by ninefingershuffle
There’s no real advantage to betting here. Pre is a little loose, but whatever
+1

Think PF call is standard. As played, I'd probably check/call turn & river.
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06-23-2022 , 10:09 AM
I don't think pre is loose. This is a snapcall if we were just against the button open, so the question is just whether the UTG limper's range cuts down our equity/ability to realize our equity more than his contribution to the pot increases it. With a suited hand against a weak player, I'm not worried.

I'd probably check/call down, betting the river if the button checks back the turn.
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06-24-2022 , 02:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Sandwich
15-30 limit holdem at Parx PA

Game lost a couple of players so is suddenly 5 handed. UTG seems clueless but button seems solid; I've seen him mostly playing 40-80 so he's playing below his normal stakes.


UTG calls, button raises, I call one small bet with Qc4c in the BB.

Flop is Qs As 4h

I check, looking to checkraise the preflop raiser.

My plan works.... UTG checks, button bets, I raise, UTG folds, and button calls.

Turn is Ad and the action is on me.

Uh oh... Would you bet out or go into check-call-assess mode?
Interesting spot that does come up once in a while. I think this is player dependent, but a line that I would consider taking is bet/fold turn and check/call brick rivers. The idea is that if you’re against someone that doesn’t raise draws, we can get value against their flush/straight draws and then check/call blank rivers hoping to bluff catch against a range that contains at least some amount of missed draws. We also cap his range when he doesn’t raise the turn.

This only works against players who aren’t tricky enough to raise their draws on the turn. If they are tricky enough, check/call, check/decide is best, probably looking to check/call blanks and check/fold spade rivers.
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07-05-2022 , 10:47 AM
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Originally Posted by ninefingershuffle
3 handed
The game is 5 handed.
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07-05-2022 , 08:31 PM
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Originally Posted by LifeRebooted
I don't think pre is loose. This is a snapcall if we were just against the button open, so the question is just whether the UTG limper's range cuts down our equity/ability to realize our equity more than his contribution to the pot increases it. With a suited hand against a weak player, I'm not worried.

I'd probably check/call down, betting the river if the button checks back the turn.
+1

I can't imagine most Solvers / dream machine folds Preflop / PF.

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08-22-2022 , 09:13 PM
book says c/c turn

however i doubt you're ever good.

note: if this pot was HU i would c/c flop, c/r turn.

Last edited by NittyOldMan1; 08-22-2022 at 09:19 PM.
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08-25-2022 , 08:23 PM
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Originally Posted by NittyOldMan1
book says c/c turn

however i doubt you're ever good.

note: if this pot was HU i would c/c flop, c/r turn.
+1 on c/c turn.

NOTE: DonJuan plays at Parx, if BTN is DonJuan, I'd donate everything by bet 3 betting turn or chk fold turn

PS: Never chk/folding turn ever OR not c/r flop with Q4cc on Qs As 4h
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