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04-01-2018 , 11:40 AM

mongidig

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Temporarily 6 handed. CO and button are both very loose passivd pre.

Co open limps, Buttom over limps, SB folds, I check 9d3c.

5cQc5h...It's checked around.

5cQc5h9s...Better to bet or check and induce?

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04-01-2018 , 12:58 PM

DougL

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Are your villains more likely to call a turn bet with worse, because they're sticky? Are they more likely to bet worse when checked to? That's the decision you're making. Not knowing them, not sure.

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04-01-2018 , 02:30 PM

Howard Beale

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Passive's won't call w/o a hand that crushes you given that action. You don't want to check and let two players have a free card to beat you with.

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04-02-2018 , 03:11 PM

Bill Haywood

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If you bet, I think you are targeting A high that will call but not bet.

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04-02-2018 , 04:47 PM

Howard Beale

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Originally Posted by Bill Haywood

If you bet, I think you are targeting A high that will call but not bet.

Meh, that's a 'maybe.' At small stakes, in a small pot, most of the crew will just fold to the bet which is fine by me. Sometimes we get raised and we fold but that's the game.

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04-02-2018 , 07:03 PM

mongidig

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Originally Posted by Howard Beale

Passive's won't call w/o a hand that crushes you given that action. You don't want to check and let two players have a free card to beat you with.

It's a very small pot. I think even passive players will bluff here and try to take it down. If they bluff on the turn and the river that's a huge win. Checking at least gives you the chance to sometimes suck out slowplayed trip 5's or maybe a Q. I don't like betting with the thought that I'm only getting called by hands that crush me. I feel like we leave money on the table just hoping to take it down right there in a small pot.

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04-02-2018 , 07:48 PM

DonkeyOnTilt

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I'd check to induce. It doesn't hurt if you lose this small pot to a bad river card.

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04-02-2018 , 08:30 PM

Howard Beale

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Originally Posted by mongidig

I feel like we leave money on the table just hoping to take it down right there in a small pot.

Winning ANYTHING w/ the 9

is a success and these add up over the course of time. I bet the turn and hope they both fold bec I'm not looking to make a ton of money by getting fancy in any way w/ that terrible hand.

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04-03-2018 , 02:28 AM

Aaron W.

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Originally Posted by Howard Beale

Winning ANYTHING w/ the 9

is a success and these add up over the course of time. I bet the turn and hope they both fold bec I'm not looking to make a ton of money by getting fancy in any way w/ that terrible hand.

Let's say you have the best hand 50% of the time and you *NEVER* get called by a worse hand and *NEVER* fold out a better hand (so that if you bet and take it down, you had the best hand 100% of the time). Let's also assume that if you get called or raised, you will *NEVER* put in another bet so that you have a stop-loss of 1 BB.

50% of the time, you win 1.5 BB
50% of the time, you lose 1 BB

Then this is definitely a bet.

Edit: This doesn't say that betting is better than checking to induce. But if you feel that you have the best hand more than 40% of the time, you make money by betting.

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04-03-2018 , 10:29 PM

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kainhighwind

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While I agree with betting the turn to try and pick up the 1.5 bets, if we bet and get called by one player what is our river line?

Check fold on clubs/T,J,Q,K,A rivers?

Check call the rest?

Are we ever value betting the river on anything other than a 9?

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04-03-2018 , 11:10 PM

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Aaron W.

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Originally Posted by kainhighwind

At that point, I'd definitely call it a table read. What are they calling with on the turn? What are they calling with on the river? What are they betting on the river if we check?

I don't mind check-folding the river against most "passive" players. There are some that I'd be more inclined to check-call. I'm probably never betting.

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04-04-2018 , 04:00 PM

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colt45ss

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apparently my villians think it de rigueur to check trips on the flop and smooth call all the way to the river
9-3.... I think the nine is a Yahtzee and bet the turn and probably cbet the river regardless absent a read or a scent of strength.

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04-04-2018 , 06:14 PM

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Aaron W.

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Originally Posted by colt45ss

This is probably bad. If you're assuming that your opponents are calling down trips here, then value betting the river necessitates a much wider opponent calling range. You lose to all the 9x hands that aren't going to raise, so I think you're going to need them to call down to about K-high for this to be a profitable value bet. (I didn't count hands, but so that's just a guess.)

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04-04-2018 , 07:18 PM

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Howard Beale

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If we don't improve OTR we pretty much have to fold to a raise. Use the money to call a bet with if one's made.

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