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11-24-2020 , 12:55 AM

ninefingershuffle

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Here’s one for fun where I’m not sure there is a clear right answer. Obviously lol lol massive equity raise raise raise would be fine.

Kill pot, killer on button. Killer will call with all hands or pretty close. Fish limps, I raise QT

in cutoff, tag three bets, killer calls, blinds fold, limper and I call. 13 sb.

Flop J

Checks to cutoff who bets, button and limpet call and now on me?

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11-24-2020 , 03:26 AM

NittyOldMan1

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does TAG only bet overpairs on this flop, or are they a mindless cbettor?

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11-24-2020 , 09:57 AM

Bob148

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Looks like perfect spot to call flop and check raise turn when u hit which will likely trap others for multiple big bets drawing slim.

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11-24-2020 , 10:16 AM

ninefingershuffle

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Originally Posted by NittyOldMan1

does TAG only bet overpairs on this flop, or are they a mindless cbettor?

Definitely not a mindless c bettor. He’s likely have to have 88+ here. He might bet AK some small fraction of the time.

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11-26-2020 , 01:15 AM

NittyOldMan1

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Originally Posted by ninefingershuffle

Definitely not a mindless c bettor. He’s likely have to have 88+ here. He might bet AK some small fraction of the time.

c/c

Last edited by NittyOldMan1; 11-26-2020 at 01:20 AM.

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11-29-2020 , 05:17 PM

Darth Sagebrush

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You and the guy who 3bet (which of you is cutoff?) should in theory be quite a bit wider than normal, due to additional blind money from kill. Account for this in flop decision.

The remark that the guy only cbets sets is a typo, right?

I'd have led the flop. More good stuff can happen, and less bad.

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11-29-2020 , 06:02 PM

ninefingershuffle

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Yes, I mean he will need at least pair to bet flop, so 77+ (assuming that is his pair three bet range ore).

Leading the flop is awful if the three bettor raises and the other two fold and I end up heads up with the worst hand.

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12-03-2020 , 05:58 AM

maka2184

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I think I c/r or chk/c based on my perceived image at table.

Does it being a kill pot change fold equity vs
TAG in CO,
Killer in BTN,
Fish in MP?

Assuming same game we've played recently, killer and fish sounds unlikely to fold without SD.

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12-04-2020 , 06:43 PM

Unguarded

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A couple mistakes by OP in describing this hand:

1) At first, OP is in the cutoff. But on the flop, someone else is in the cutoff. I do not understand the positions/action.

2) OP later says that the flop bettor (who is in god knows what position) cbets 88+. 88 is a set. I am assuming you meant 99 or 77+?

This is especially confusing since different casinos have different rules regarding the order of action in a kill pot.

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12-04-2020 , 06:53 PM

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ninefingershuffle

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Sorry.

Limp in middle position, I raise HJ, CO 3 bets, Button who has posted the kill calls, all call - 4 handed to flop.

CO (the preflop 3 bettor) bets the flop, button calls, limper calls, action on me.

Kill acts in turn here.

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12-06-2020 , 03:06 AM

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Unguarded

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This is just a super standard c/r to me planning to triple barrel unimproved if nobody resists. If the CO is really betting so tight on the flop, I guess donking makes more sense. Trying to steal large pots like this where the ranges are still fairly wide is super valuable.

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12-06-2020 , 12:19 PM

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datsmahname

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Originally Posted by Unguarded

Unguarded, a monster in LHE history says all there is to say here. Put money in the middle. Easy game.

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06-30-2022 , 01:04 AM

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maka2184

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Originally Posted by Unguarded

+1

Unguarded would be #1 at LHE 2022 if he still played LHE instead of NL (think that's what Unguarded plays now) / PLO / mix .

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06-30-2022 , 05:44 PM

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Grease

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Lol lol raise raise.

But seriously C/R and plan on barreling.

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