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11-14-2018 , 12:00 AM
8 handed. Game is pretty agro pre but plays fairly straight forward post flop. Some okay guy who is way too wide opens in early position. I three bang KQdd from the cutoff. Bb cold caps it. 3 to flop. Bb is down several buy ins and playing way too many hands, but he isn’t a maniac out of position.

Flop (12 sb)

J62 with one diamond

Bb bets and we both call

Turn (7.5 bb)

K completes the rainbow

Bb bets and we both call.

River (10.5 bb)

Q

Bb bets, me calls, and I raise
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11-14-2018 , 02:43 AM
That's how I would play it.

You've pulled ahead of AA's, AK,... KJs, QJs(if he has these in his range) on the river. I doubt he 3 bets a set fearing you have a straight given how you played it.
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11-14-2018 , 12:15 PM
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Originally Posted by ninefingershuffle
Bb cold caps it... Bb is down several buy ins and playing way too many hands, but he isn’t a maniac out of position.
How tight of a cold cap do you think this is?

I think the hand is fine. If it's otherwise close, I tend to peel the flop closing the action when the pot is large.

The river raise seems good. He doesn't actually have that many hands that beat you (KK/QQ/JJ = 5 hands).
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11-14-2018 , 12:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Aaron W.
How tight of a cold cap do you think this is?

I think the hand is fine. If it's otherwise close, I tend to peel the flop closing the action when the pot is large.

The river raise seems good. He doesn't actually have that many hands that beat you (KK/QQ/JJ = 5 hands).
I’m not exactly sure of the range. I’d say definitely 1010 plus, AK, but I imagine there is a lot of **** you AXs type **** - he may just cap anything he wants to play.
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11-14-2018 , 12:38 PM
Seems fine but I'll pot stir.

I know what the combos say but I wonder whether this particular guy will be a little mubsy with AA/AK on the KQJ62 vs two opponents when stuck a couple buy ins. Some guys get frustrated and bet too much and others get frustrated and don't bet enough. It might be a long way to discount the combos of those, in particular, into making this a call but it's worth thinking about. Also, are we getting overlay from the third player who should have us beat almost never, but might be less likely to hero call closing the river action than when he made the first river call.
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11-14-2018 , 12:40 PM
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Originally Posted by ninefingershuffle
I’m not exactly sure of the range. I’d say definitely 1010 plus, AK, but I imagine there is a lot of **** you AXs type **** - he may just cap anything he wants to play.
The wider the range, the better the flop peel and river raise become. So if you do the calculations on the "definitely" range for those decisions and find that they're good (or at least close), then the addition of those extra hands only makes those plays more profitable.
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11-14-2018 , 01:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Aaron W.
The wider the range, the better the flop peel and river raise become. So if you do the calculations on the "definitely" range for those decisions and find that they're good (or at least close), then the addition of those extra hands only makes those plays more profitable.
I actually gave consideration to raising turn
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11-14-2018 , 05:20 PM
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Originally Posted by ninefingershuffle
I actually gave consideration to raising turn
That seems less good. If you keep a conservative capping range of AA-TT, AK, AQs then it breaks out like this:

Hands that beat you:
AA = 6 combos
KK = 1 combo
JJ = 3 combos
AK = 8 combos

Hands you beat:
QQ = 6 combos
TT = 6 combos
AQs = 3 combos

You might also throw in some consideration that TT might not bet the turn and that makes this look worse for you.

You have to imagine that your opponent will have lots of Kx and Jx in his range before you can start to call this a value raise. The fact that there's another player in the middle gives you a little bit of a buffer, but you're still not sitting that pretty against BB's range.

I think calling the turn is best. You don't have a strong enough hand against the capper to want to give a lot of action. But it is definitely strong enough to go to showdown with for one bet per street because the pot is so big.
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11-14-2018 , 05:53 PM
Nh.
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11-14-2018 , 06:19 PM
This is good. As Munga said, it's possible to defend a just call against a stuckmonkey who may be in terminal MUBS mode and would check strong hands here in order to avoid the psychologically draining event of calling a raise. But I just don't see enough out there that beats you. If he's capping 66/22, who's to say he has no KJ/QJ combos, for example.
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11-14-2018 , 06:38 PM
Results: BB crumpled up his cards and ate them (AA) without calling, Mp folded too.
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11-14-2018 , 08:58 PM
lol I love live poker.
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11-15-2018 , 12:09 AM
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Originally Posted by jdr0317
lol I love live poker.
It was fantastic. No one was phased.
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11-20-2018 , 02:43 PM
Raise the turn instead.
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11-23-2018 , 02:49 PM
I'd think about raising the turn, but decide against it. In other words, NH.
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11-28-2018 , 01:36 PM
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Originally Posted by ninefingershuffle
Results: BB crumpled up his cards and ate them (AA) without calling, Mp folded too.
You're just joking about him actually crumpling up and eating the cards, right?
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11-28-2018 , 05:01 PM
New to live poker, are you?
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11-28-2018 , 06:08 PM
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Originally Posted by DalTXColtsFan
You're just joking about him actually crumpling up and eating the cards, right?
Nope.
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11-28-2018 , 09:48 PM
I've probably only played live poker maybe 75 times in 7 years, but I've never seen anything even remotely like that. In fact, the worst thing I've ever seen anyone do in a casino was done by ME. My KK got sucked out on in a multiway pot in a 2/5 game and I threw my cards on the table, turned around to storm off and banged right into a waiter with a tray of open beers. What's even funnier is that I had the person who sucked out on me covered and the dealer actually had to yell "sir - sir!!! SIR!!!!!" to stop me and let me know I still had money on the table.

I'm struggling to think of the worst things I've ever seen BESIDES myself, and the worst I can think of is the guy at the 4/8 who thinks he's Phil Hellmuth mathematically analyzing every hand, or the guy who sat down to a tournament and didn't know he was supposed to put ALL of his chips on the table. The dealer was really surprised when he pulled more out of his pocket. Maybe the guy who won $1300 one night and the next night couldn't get any of his hands to connect with the board and was dropping f-bombs until another player told him to watch his mouth in front of the lady to the left.

At Winstar, I believe if you crumpled the cards you'd be immediately and summarily thrown out of the casino.

Last edited by DalTXColtsFan; 11-28-2018 at 09:55 PM.
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