Two loose passive players limp from late position, A very laggy but good player raises the button, it's folded to me in the BB and I call 9c7c, all call.

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The button will probably bet this flop. He does check back some more coordinated flops. I typically never donk out on this board texture. Does anybody donk here? How do you play this if it gets checked to the button who bets? If I were to CR, the two loose players will call sometimes and fold sometimes. If I just call they could CR.

Easy c/c and evaluate.

Check call seems right


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It sounds like button might bet his entire range on this dryish K hi flop. We can credibly rep 55, K8, K5, 85 as far as monsters go plus all of our single pairs that we want to protect. So we're also going to want to have some bluffs. Gutter + bdfd definitely makes the cut imo.

I don't really like check-calling anything on this flop. I am playing raise or fold here. A check-call looks like garbage and is garbage. For me, the only question is whether I want to add some even weaker bluffs to my c/r range like Ts7s or some such.

This is a really juicy spot to spew our asses off imo. The pot is bloated against 3 weak ranges that are going to have a hard time doing anything about our relentless aggression. Our relative position on the flop is quite powerful here.

I don't like donking because I expect button to bet so often on this board texture. We want to face the limpers with 2 bets with our made hands (for protection/value) and our semi-bluffs (for the extra folds). Donking makes a lot more sense on low-middling connected boards where button is more likely to check behind.

I agree with Unguarded that this a k/r. 76 is out only obvious bluff candidate, and we probably want/need to be doing more bluffing than that, and it is hard to find a better second-order candidate than a gutshot + bdfd. Turn plays better going into it having raised.

Is a ‘good’ player betting unimproved into 3 players? Maybe they are, dunno. Are the 2 players you’re trying to get out capable of folding any piece of the board? Depends how loose I guess.

It’s not the worst spot to attempt bluff but if it’s like a typical 3/6 game , getting a bluff through is tough parlay IMO


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C/r into three upcapped ranges in the first position seems ambitious

Seems pretty standard to x/ff here. Maybe x/c if the game is very passive. We don’t need to have a large bluffing range in a multiway pot.

If I CR and get HU with the button is the plan to barrel off unless he raises?

If I were to CR Ts7s and get hu is the plan to give up on the turn unless I improve to a pair or a better draw? I feel like barreling here would be too spewey.

You either misread the hand or are confused about what it means to have an uncapped range. Pre-flop limpers do not have uncapped ranges.

I am not really going to c/r Ts7s, but if I did I would consider it a huge victory to get heads up on the turn and continue barreling in this bloated pot. My point was simply that our actual hand is a slam dunk c/r for me.

With our actual hand, I would definitely bet the turn even 4way. A 4way turn barrel looks scary to a lot of players, and loose-passives often take 2 to the face on the flop and fold to a turn or river barrel. We're often not saving a turn bet by checking anyway, so I much prefer to keep the pressure going.

My best advice is to pay much closer attention to all of the times that you have a nutty hand multiway and it doesn't go to showdown after you take a standard value line. Then mimic these spots once you begin to notice the patterns. Alarms will start going off at the right times.

In this hand, the following alarms instantly go off for me:

1) 2 loose-passives limp in with trashy ranges.

2) A LAG with a trashy range isolates from his loosest position.

3) We have excellent relative position on the flop despite our poor absolute position.

4) A raggy, K hi rainbow flop makes it hard for even loose players to adequately defend against aggression.

It's time to spew imo.