Main villains here are the BB and UTG.

BB – aggressive older Asian man. When he raises and 3 bets he has shown premium hands. He plays aggressively after the flop, probably too aggressively. Will bet/raise good draws and I have seen him bet some marginal draws flop and turn that got there on the river.

UTG – new player at table. No real read. Seems loose.

Preflop I'm in the cutoff.

UTG limps, folded did me. I have KJo and raise. Button calls (very lose player), SB folds. BB 3 bets. UTG calls 2. I call. Button calls.

Flop (12 SB): 4 7 J with 2 diamonds.

BB checks, UTG bets, I raise, button folds, BB 3 bets, UTG calls, I call.

BB check/3 bet smells like a flush draw to me.

Turn (12 BB): [4 7 J] T still only 2 diamonds.

BB bets, UTG raises, hero ??

BB could still be on flush draw. I'd put UTG on 2 pair or better, but I don't have a good read on him.

Can I call down here assuming BB does not 3 bet and no diamond on river?

That seems like a very narrow read. There are really only 3 combos of flush draws? AK, AQ, KQ? Unless you think he's 3-betting ATs from BB. In which case that's 4 combos.

I think you have to consider that he has AA/KK/QQ at least sometimes here (and there doesn't need to be many sometimes for this to matter since flush draws are so few). Maybe even JJ. ("Someone's going to bet this flop and I can check-raise THE NUTS!!!")

So... exactly JTs? Maybe JTo? Or do you think he played the flop that way with J7? T7? I guess it depends on how loose he is and how positionally aware he is. But I also think this read is a little bit too narrow. A set of 4s or 7s also makes sense because he wanted to see a safe turn card or wanted to wait until the turn to raise BB's bet. He might even played QQ in the classic "wait for a safe flop" approach to big pocket pairs, and now he's playing it hard. I might actually think that he's got the flush draw more often than BB with a random suited ace or suited king.

I think I would go with my gut feeling on the donk factor. Based on your general experiences in this game at this level, how likely is it that someone is doing something aggressively stupid? If the game generally skews passive, I think you can walk away. If it skews aggressive, I think you're stuck calling at least once and seeing what unfolds behind you.

You "shouldn't" be ahead here very often. You're getting an immediate 15:2, which is tempting, but the future action is going to be an unknown. My assumptions lead to me thinking that BB's preflop 3-betting range is too narrow and too overpair-heavy for you to do well against him, combined with the UTG's aggression after a limp-call2 preflop makes it look like things are stacked against you. I think I'm okay folding this one unless I have a specific reason to call.

Sometimes we have to trust the money. UTG took a lot of heat on the flop and then raises BB's turn bet. That's like him hitting us w/ a cast iron pan. I'd fold, hope to see both hands at showdown, and file away the info.

Turbo fold.

Two players have shown great interest in this pot, one of whom was passive enough to limp UTG. I think the only question is whether you're silver or bronze - that both players are going psycho is less than a 2/15 shot.

I turbo fold this turn and think every decision in this hand is pretty obvious (and correct assuming you folded turn). BB's line is comically strong and UTG still raises his turn bet. I think you have zero outs.

With that action you might be ahead of one players but not 2 , so a fold seem in order

I fold.

I would think the BB would be more likely to just bet the flop with a big draw.

I did fold.

The reason I posted this hand was it turned out BB was on a flush draw (AQ diamonds) and UTG had T8o. UTG had bet the flop with a gut shot straight draw and raised the turn when he made a pair of Ts, 2nd pair. Oh, and the river was another jack.

I have seen people check raise the flop with hands like AA, but as I recall the BB had played big pocket pairs more straight forwardly. I had seen BB check raise the flop with flush draws, although in those cases he had not 3 bet preflop. UTG though was the total spaz that got me to fold the best hand.

Sounds like a good game.

BB 3b pre/check looks like AK, x/3b flop would be an odd line with an overpair, so FD read looks good to me. UTG is really strong here, repping a set that delayed til the turn? Obviously folding and taking UTG to valuetown for the rest of the night after seeing that hand.

Shrug and move on. People tend not to play like that for a long time because eventually they do something spazzy to a cranky old man and get a 45 minute lecture about playing bad.

Is there any good that comes with capping flop?

Fold is fine, take note, and adjust in the next hand. These guys will be losing a lot of money, and now you have good information on how they play.

I have a saying that it takes 2 people to bluff you off a hand. It just happened to be that magic combination in this hand.

Meh. It's going to happen sometimes. Good fold.