Sorry I'm late.

My claim was very simple: The poker logic is bad.

I never claimed that it was a huge loss. I didn't even claim that capping was right or wrong, and was pretty explicit that it may be right. But the logic is bad.

And if you want a "screw it I'm capping" rationale to justify capping, that's fine. Feel free to justify your plays however you want. But the logic is bad.

Something that nobody has yet mentioned is that capping changes the dynamics of the following street. With the capper on your immediate left, letting him cap gives you more opportunities to check-raise on the following street. If you've never check-raised the field with the nuts on the river, you're missing one of poker's great pleasures.

You can do whatever you want to do because it's your money. But the thought process of "if it's going to get capped, I might as well cap it myself" is bad poker logic.

Since in this specific hand, OP is not betting the river without the nuts, I'd say the bolded is a good thing.

Call. I would donk a non-pairing club river or a Q. I'd check call if the board pairs a club.

Sorry, I couldn't disagree with you more. LHE is all about small fractions of bets here and there, that's where you make (save) money.

I indicated in my reply that care must be applied. Here we are never folding bec we are getting the right price. If capping it ourselves costs what OP figured I don't see a huge leak esp when this spot doesn't come along very often.

(bunch of nits.. What happened to my spot on the top of the heap of nitty old men?)

LMAO! I read ur other post on subject. First off notice I said MINUSCULE advantage if any, that's because no one is going to give you any real credit for a big hand in this spot, everyone knows its going to get capped and they figure your doing whaT MOST people would do in this situation. So no one is deferring to you, so ur check isn't going to keep ANYONE from betting and thus ur check raising nirvana is still possible. You keep mentioning the river, we are talking preflop..ummm I think there are some differences between the two LMAO! Preflop you have no clue of the value of your hand, (ur final HAND!) Two red aces are great preflop....but at the river on a board of all spades even with a ace of spades ur hand is garbage! Furthermore say you are on river and you have a hand thats too strong to fold, facing 3 bets with more than just one other person in pot...same logic applies...if you know someone is going to cap behind you..you should Still be raising here. For same reasons...you're calling anyway! Say your cap gets everyone to fold....yea yea...but say once in 100,000 times it will get everyone to fold, thats still better than the zero percent chance if you just call and then call cap..and once again..YOU WERE CALLIN ANYWAY!

lol wrote all that for nothing...Sorry misread post, thought it was preflop. I cap here as well, for same reasons, furthermore, capping in this spot does disguise ur hand to some degree. And how are you going to get a check raise in here?????? A club falls on river and it checks around to whoever has flush, unless club pairs board and then you'd be a fool to try a check raise.

A much greater pleasure is check raising 5 people on the river with top and bottom, being called in all 5 spots and being good.

OL 3/6 a few years back guy opens UTG. Everyone calls to me, I call A3

(6 BB) AxT8

Check check bet, everyone calls, I check raise, he 3, everyone calls, I cap, everyone calls

(18 BB) 5

Check, I check, he bets, we all call

(24 BB) 3

Check, I check, he bets, everyone calls, I check raise, everyone calls. I win.

Possibly my favorite hand ever .

1) I like the idea of juicing up the pot with equity, but No overs here. Only a backdoor straight draw. Just a nut flush draw. Not cleaning up any outs by eliminating UTG. Also opens the door for UTG+1 to four-town it. I'll just call. But I would go HAM with 98 of clubs.

2) Close spot. You know you're live. Also 98 clubs is the only real double blocker possibility given the action (MAYBE UTG has JTc).

Let's look at your equity with maximum outs (UTG+1 doesn't have a set to J and T of clubs are live) (But also... He probably has a set)

UTG: 98
UTG+1: A7
LJ: KQ

Your equity is 22.50% which is +EV for 3 bets or a cap. But it's razor thin.

Equity analysis (assuming above hands)
Drops to 17.5% if UTG+1 has a set (J or T of clubs no good)
Drops to 15.0% if there's a set and one club is dead
Drops to 12.5% if there's a set and two clubs are dead
Drops to 10% if there's a set and three clubs are dead (say UTG has 98clubs and LJ has KQ with the Q of clubs)

It's a spot where you could have a bunch of dirty outs that will cost you 1-2 bets on the river even if you make it.

So I'd fold and then vomit when the 6c rolls off on the river.

I thought you never folded?

I'm not good enough to fold the nut flush draw. I'm jamming the flop and calling the turn.