Two tards limp, tag raises

hero 3! AsKc, blinds fold, it calls around

2d Tc Jc

Hero checks behind

8s

bet, fold, call, hero calls

(9 bb) Kx

bet, tag raises (12 bb, two to call)

Tag is unlikely to have KQ due to turn passivity

Hero is getting 6:1 to chop or lose

Hero?

You also are not closing the action, and TAG has AQ a lot here. I fold.

I would think less of TAG had he raised the turn with KQ, and leave it in his range. You're also missing hands like KTs. Overall, I think you have 3:1 to call.

Flop: I'd bet. You have gutshot draw + BDFD + 2 Overs and you 3 betted Pre. Not betting is just announcing you have AK or 99-

That is true.

But it's taken me way too long to learn that it just isn't worth it.

We will not take it down and will probably get raised. That flop socks the limping range and connects with tag's raising range.

I've realized that betting overs that missed against multiple opponents was a leak, hence the check behind.

Keeping hand covered up just isn't worth two bets when we have to improve to win.

i bet this flop 100% of the time. i can be convinced why i should check here. i was going to say that i would be more inclined to check if i had naked overs but i am not sure that is logically consistent

You don't have "just overs"..... I don't mind getting raised in this spot. It is an easy 1 sb peel in position. There are many cards that can improve or semi improve your hand on the turn: 3A,3K,4Q and any other clubs. If you get raised-3bet after you bet flop it is even better you can just lay down having invested just a bet on the flop.

J and T hit limping ranges really well and they hit the iso-raiser better than they do our hand. This is a multiway pot, so we are not protecting against bluffs alone. I like the first three streets. If the limper had calling chips in his hand, I'd probably cry and call. The river seems close and I guess I'd need more information.

That's kind of a good argument for checking. Our hand can improve, so we can let the street go by and get value later.

So, just to be clear, you are not betting because you necessarily think we are ahead, or because we can fold out the field, but because you don't mind putting 2 small bets in to chase our 4 outs to the nuts plus 6 compromised outs when we could put in 0 bets to chase the same thing.

That's not good poker, I'm afraid.

I also would usually bet the flop here without a particular read, even though I check behind often with the previous betting lead. I think it is close though.

After the smaller pot from no flop betting I'm not thrilled to be calling on the turn though. That's kind of an ugly turn card and your outs are all very dirty. Again I can't say calling is wrong, but I think it's worth a discussion.

River seems like an easy fold unless both other players are nuts or if first guy is nuts and second guy is so above the rim that he's trying to get value from first guy (or put him on a bluff) while bluffing out hero. Most weak players aren't going to value bet this river into two preflop raisers if they can't beat AK.

I think flop is definite bet.

-Balance
-Decent equity when called
-Initiative on turn to use however we want a lot of the time.
-Sometimes hands with good equity against us will fold

We also balance by including hands that can improve to powerhouses in our check-behind range. We don't want to check behind only < p99.

We aren't getting called. We're getting raised 70% of the time or more. Our equity will keep without the bet.

We won't have it.

Good strategy against one or two opponents.

Believe me, I'd have bet that flop the last 9 out of 10 years and feel dense for taking this long to come around.

Question is whether to call river and hope for a chop.

I'm not sure 3-bet pre and then 'check when we miss bet when we hit' is good poker either.

I think the river is very villain dependent-base, and I probably fold in a nutshell.

I think whether to bet or check on the flop depends on some factors as well, but I probably still bet in a nutshell.

the only thing definite about the decision whether or not to bet the flop is that it's close. one thing i'd like to add to crazylond's list of benefits of betting the flop is, we can often get to see the river card for 1SB as opposed to 1BB when someone bets the turn. i think OP is overestimating the times we get k/r'ed, but it's difficult to quantify.

dougl was correct when he said that this flop hits the initial raiser's hand harder than ours, but we still have 25% equity and can technically bet the flop for value.

sometimes betting the flop can make other streets easier to play, which is nice.

if the flop was T96cc, i would rather check.

it's close either way.

I'd fold the river if people can handread at all.

This is a good point. KQ, AK, are unlikely to raise just a king pair. I've played my hand like a draw that may have completed and UG has something that may have gained as well.

In multi-way pots, deception isn't nearly as important because someone is going to showdown, so yeah, that can, in fact, be good poker.

OP, besides the obvious QTJ, what non A or K high flops to you tend to cbet into 3 opponents?

what if the situation were 2 poor players limp, you raise, the big blind calls, and the limpers call. what types of non A or K high flops do you bet then?

also, what stakes? what are the player's positions? do you have any relevant reads other than "tards" and "TAG"? what kind of "tards" or "TAG" are these villains?

What to do on the flop is close. In spots like this, I will usually bet if I Have a backdoor flush draw and check if not. I will tend to bet against a passive line up and check against a more agro line up. In general, I would expect the flop aggression to be tempered a bit when the prefop 3 bettor c bets MW.

I'm not too concerned about my hand being face up if I choose to check the flop since the best hand is gonna win here typically. Also, if we get to the river and are heads up we will have announced that we have AK "please try to bluff me". There will be certain players, maybe "tards" who can't stop themselves from trying.

Bet flop

As played. Easy turn call


Easy River fold.