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02-24-2018 , 11:55 PM
Button is solid TAG

SB is tight passive reg. I think he donks mostly for value and maybe some open enders.

9 handed......Button opens, SB calls, I call in BB with 7sTs.

8sJc5d....SB donks...What should I do?
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02-25-2018 , 01:22 AM
Call and hope the turn is the 9♠️
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02-25-2018 , 03:56 AM
What are the stakes? I find in 6-12, once it is folded to the button everyone goes into chop-chop mode to avoid messing with the rake. So when the button, TAG or otherwise, decides to raise I usually give them credit for a premium holding and would just fold a hand like 10-7 pre.
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02-25-2018 , 06:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Skymasters0n
What are the stakes? I find in 6-12, once it is folded to the button everyone goes into chop-chop mode to avoid messing with the rake. So when the button, TAG or otherwise, decides to raise I usually give them credit for a premium holding and would just fold a hand like 10-7 pre.
You should not be folding T7s to button opens. Seriously, don't.
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02-25-2018 , 12:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Skymasters0n
What are the stakes? I find in 6-12, once it is folded to the button everyone goes into chop-chop mode to avoid messing with the rake. So when the button, TAG or otherwise, decides to raise I usually give them credit for a premium holding and would just fold a hand like 10-7 pre.
Even in chop chop mode, people are usually looser on the button than in other positions. If you call T7s against a raise from any other position, you should keep doing it vs BTN.
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02-25-2018 , 01:50 PM
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Originally Posted by mongidig
Button is solid TAG

SB is tight passive reg. I think he donks mostly for value and maybe some open enders.

9 handed......Button opens, SB calls, I call in BB with 7sTs.

8sJc5d....SB donks...What should I do?
Call > Raise > Fold.

Whether to raise flop depends on how fold prone SB and BTN are as well as your distribution of call range on flop. Think gut shot + backdoor FD + potential opportunity to shut out BTN + opportunity to create pair outs (in chance SB is dinking like 8x and BTN has like T's with higher kicker + potential run outs to potentially make SB or BTN fold

Does give some merit to consider raising flop.

With that said, I probably lean towards calling unless there are meta/game history you have had with SB and BTN.

OR

You have a game dynamic you want to create vs SB and BTN.

PF is a default call for me
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02-25-2018 , 02:14 PM
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Originally Posted by DonkeyOnTilt
You should not be folding T7s to button opens. Seriously, don't.
Sounds like we should defend this hand, and ones much worse too. Do you defend 10-7 off? Do the stakes matter? I would think as you play higher, people are trying to "steal" a lot more and we would need to defend with a much wider range.
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02-25-2018 , 11:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Skymasters0n
Sounds like we should defend this hand, and ones much worse too. Do you defend 10-7 off? Do the stakes matter? I would think as you play higher, people are trying to "steal" a lot more and we would need to defend with a much wider range.
I am definitely used to wide button opens. Connected ten high suited or no is an auto defend for me. I see some merit to folding at 6/12 when your big blind is basically feeding the rake.
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02-26-2018 , 09:09 AM
How concerned are we about a C/R from BTN?
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02-26-2018 , 11:43 AM
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Originally Posted by DalTXColtsFan
How concerned are we about a C/R from BTN?
Not at all. Hard to check raise last to act

We should be minor concerned w/ a raise, but this hand turns too many good cards to consider a straight fold here. Obviously a 9 gives us a monster, but any queen, T, 7, 6 or spade also improves us.
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02-26-2018 , 03:04 PM
is a flop raise to the donk spewy or a solid semi bluff.
depending what the buttons range looks like pre it might be daring and dastardly
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02-26-2018 , 07:34 PM
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Originally Posted by colt45ss
is a flop raise to the donk spewy or a solid semi bluff.
depending what the buttons range looks like pre it might be daring and dastardly
I would think it could be a good play if you could fold button overs and/or potentially get to see a free river. Getting 3-bet would suck though.
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02-26-2018 , 08:59 PM
I think he has JTs+, QJs+, up to AJ. Occasionally maybe JJ or QQ+, he’s probably not folding any of these hands.

That’s why I’d call the flop.

If he check calls on this texture I think his range is particularly weak. That’s where the big ev is in this spot with the stronger parts of our range. Sandwiched between two tags isn’t the place to get aggressive with a gut shots and backdoors.

That said I think Q9 and QT are solid raises here.
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02-28-2018 , 05:33 PM
At the club whereI play, when it gets down to chop-chop, the house takes one chip. Or at least that was the situation in December.
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03-03-2018 , 11:09 AM
This hand was from a video I rewatched. I usually watch with the sound down and decide what I would do before they act. This was a video where the pro was playing online and commenting. Two of the guy's in the video are well respected pro's. This was a 1/2 full ring video.

They folded on the flop. I would have called. This is probably 5 years ago. Maybe they play it differently now. They were concerned with being trapped in the middle with a draw that was not very strong. Online is more agro perhaps that lead to their decision.
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03-07-2018 , 03:52 PM
I would fold here if you think he has a jack a lot of the time. If that's the case, the price is wrong. If the flop were 963 with one spade, I would definitely raise. I think having an overcard makes all the difference in this spot at this price. I don't think calling is terrible though. Raising is only good if you know your opponent so well that you are almost always getting a free card if you want one.

Also, if it checked to button, he bet, and small blind folded, this is a hand I would choose to bluff with by check-raising and barreling a lot of run outs if they play the rest of the hand passively.
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03-16-2018 , 08:35 AM
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Originally Posted by TheDarkKnight
I would fold here if you think he has a jack a lot of the time.
We're getting 7:1 immediate with two streets to play. It's probably close on J82 without the backdoors, but with them I think it's a solid call. Only way I'm folding the flop is if it goes button raises, small blind 3 bets.
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05-07-2018 , 10:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Skymasters0n
Sounds like we should defend this hand, and ones much worse too. Do you defend 10-7 off? Do the stakes matter? I would think as you play higher, people are trying to "steal" a lot more and we would need to defend with a much wider range.
The wider the button open range, the wider you should be calling. Throw in a Presumably bad player in the SB and you should expand your defend range even more. You will be getting good odds. You want to get involved in pots with bad players. You can't allow the button to have the SB all to himself. I've heard it described as a "race" to get the bad players money. You also have good relative position. It's usually gonna get checked to the button allowing you to act last. If the SB donks, you can leverage the button out of the pot if it makes sense to do so.

You may want to call 75-80 percent of hands here. This is probably more applicable to higher stakes were the percentage of rake is less or it is a time game. Ranges are wider as well.
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05-07-2018 , 04:50 PM
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Originally Posted by DonkeyOnTilt
You should not be folding T7s to button opens. Seriously, don't.
You had it right OP. Unless the button has been raising light(and you should have some idea by the frequency that he is raising his button) you can be pretty sure he has strong ace or big pair. Obviously if guy is trying to run you over you have to call, otherwise FOLD! rake will kill you HH.
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05-07-2018 , 04:55 PM
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Originally Posted by rodeo
Call and hope the turn is the 9♠️
Call and hope you don't have to call two more to see the turn lmao. Seriously though, you have a tight PASSIVE fish leading into preflop raiser. We have a bdfd and a gutshot, is folding terrible here?
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05-12-2018 , 11:29 AM
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Originally Posted by jdr0317
Not at all. Hard to check raise last to act

We should be minor concerned w/ a raise, but this hand turns too many good cards to consider a straight fold here. Obviously a 9 gives us a monster, but any queen, T, 7, 6 or spade also improves us.
I agree with the general sentiment, but how does a Q improve us? It leaves us with the same gutshot draw we have on the flop.
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05-12-2018 , 12:42 PM
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Originally Posted by AlanBostick
I agree with the general sentiment, but how does a Q improve us? It leaves us with the same gutshot draw we have on the flop.
My bad, misread the board. Good bluff card though.
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