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Old 04-08-2021, 02:26 PM   #1
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A couple turn top pair and check hands.

Hand 1) I open the button with AsKc and the TAG in the SB three bets, BB folds and I call. He seems to know what he is doing but I don't have many reads yet.

Ad8c3h....SB bets, I call planning to raise the turn. Anybody raise the flop?

Ad8c3hQc...SB checks, I check planning to call a river bet or bet when checked to. Does anybody raise/fold the river in this situation?

Hand 2) TAGGY younger kid opens HJ and I 3 bet AsTh, folded back to him and he calls.

6d7s9c....He checks, I bet, He calls.

6d7s9cAh...He checks, I check planning to call river or bet when checked to.
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Old 04-08-2021, 02:45 PM   #2
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Re: A couple turn top pair and check hands.

Why are you checking?
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Old 04-08-2021, 03:27 PM   #3
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Re: A couple turn top pair and check hands.

I have no idea why you're checking hand one. You can get value from pairs, straight draws, smaller aces, flush draws, and have outs against two pair. I would be bet/calling the turn in hand one.

Hand two his range is too wide not to go for value and you have better candidates for checking behind (queens and kings come to mind).
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Old 04-08-2021, 04:01 PM   #4
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Re: A couple turn top pair and check hands.

Hand 1 is supposed to be a rainbow flop. Sorry!
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Old 04-08-2021, 06:18 PM   #5
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Re: A couple turn top pair and check hands.

There’s just too much value to betting/equity denial in both these spots. Are you worried about getting c/r?
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Old 04-09-2021, 11:29 AM   #6
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Re: A couple turn top pair and check hands.

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Thereís just too much value to betting/equity denial in both these spots. Are you worried about getting c/r?
I'm not thinking in terms of being "worried" about getting C/R. I'm trying to figure out the most effecient way to play the hand.

Hand 1) Why would the SB be checking this turn? Is he giving up? Is he going for a screw play? Is he is check/calling a weaker hand he wants to get to showdown?

I think AK is probably too strong to check back here. I think AJ or smaller makes sense. If he is checking to give up we don't make any more money but he might call a river bet after the turn check or bluff or make a thin v bet. If he is checking to screw play it will often be with a stronger hand.

Obviously if I thought we could get three streets of value I would just bet all of my Aces. I'm not so sure the way this board has come.

Hand 2) I think checking back is a solid play. His call on the flop looks like UIP overs. I think he is more likely to have a bigger Ace if he has one. I don't feel great about getting three streets of value with a worse hand. I don't feel great about paying three BB's the rest of the way. Again, I may induce a thin bet or bluff on the river from a hand that may fold the turn.
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Old 04-09-2021, 12:10 PM   #7
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Re: A couple turn top pair and check hands.

Hand 1 raise flop. Your flop call on this board is just too telling and leads to FPS on turn.

Hand 2 somewhat interested in checking flop but don't feel confident about it. It's a better board for him than you, I think.
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Old 04-09-2021, 01:18 PM   #8
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Hand 1 raise flop. Your flop call on this board is just too telling and leads to FPS on turn.

Hand 2 somewhat interested in checking flop but don't feel confident about it. It's a better board for him than you, I think.
I think raising the flop in hand one is the play. I'm not peeling here lightly or floating. I will on occasion bluff raise if I have a hand like 6c7c or 9cTc. I'm just calling pairs under an Ace.

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Old 04-09-2021, 01:35 PM   #9
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Hand 1 raise flop. Your flop call on this board is just too telling and leads to FPS on turn.

Hand 2 somewhat interested in checking flop but don't feel confident about it. It's a better board for him than you, I think.
I think raising the flop in hand one is the play. I'm not peeling here lightly or floating. I will on occasion bluff raise if I have a hand like 6c7c or 9cTc. I'm just calling pairs under an Ace.

I have very little understanding with regards to when it is appropriate to check back flops. I would love to here more discussion or examples for when it makes sense.
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Old 04-09-2021, 03:17 PM   #10
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Re: A couple turn top pair and check hands.

What stakes are these anyway? If itís 8/16 I think you are giving your opponent way too much credit. I prefer to just bet and keep betting for thin value. Big street raises are rare and often the nuts so we can just b/f a ton and not be exploited. If you know your opponent is capable of bluffing, then all it does is skew it to a b/c.
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Old 04-10-2021, 03:23 PM   #11
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Re: A couple turn top pair and check hands.

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Why are you checking?

Itís limit poker. Bet the turns.


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Old 04-10-2021, 06:54 PM   #12
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Take a note that the opponent always bets the turn and go for the CR more with value hands and bluffs.
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Old 04-10-2021, 08:02 PM   #13
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Re: A couple turn top pair and check hands.

Mongidig, these are absolutely awful. These are two of the worst questions I have ever seen on this forum.

Once upon a time, you had a pretty PTR. You were one of the top winners at 2/4-3/6 on Pokerstars. Your poker goal should be to get back to your 2009-2010 self. You used to be good at poker.

This is far from the first time I have wondered if something bad has happened to you in the past decade such as a severe head injury. This thread is worrisome.

These checks are completely absurd. They are monstrously horrible. Please stop trying to justify plays like this.

I have been thinking this for a long time. I feel like your number one mental cue from here on out should be "How can I play as normal as possible?" You really need to get back to basic fundamentals. You are way off the deep end of FPS bizarro land. These awful plays are just pissing away free money for no reason at all.
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Old 04-10-2021, 08:56 PM   #14
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Mongidig, these are absolutely awful. These are two of the worst questions I have ever seen on this forum.

Once upon a time, you had a pretty PTR. You were one of the top winners at 2/4-3/6 on Pokerstars. Your poker goal should be to get back to your 2009-2010 self. You used to be good at poker.

This is far from the first time I have wondered if something bad has happened to you in the past decade such as a severe head injury. This thread is worrisome.

These checks are completely absurd. They are monstrously horrible. Please stop trying to justify plays like this.

I have been thinking this for a long time. I feel like your number one mental cue from here on out should be "How can I play as normal as possible?" You really need to get back to basic fundamentals. You are way off the deep end of FPS bizarro land. These awful plays are just pissing away free money for no reason at all.
Hand one is bad. I don't hate it if I had AT or worse.

I think hand two is solid.

Neither of these are my standard play.

I sucked at Poker during my stars days compared to now. I was probably one of the top three players in the 20/40 game before the pandemic hit. I think I am significantly better now as I prepare for my return.
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Old 04-11-2021, 07:19 PM   #15
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Re: A couple turn top pair and check hands.

seems like fps

id also cap pre unless you're playing against someone who is very good at LHE and with you have history
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Old 04-13-2021, 01:47 AM   #16
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Re: A couple turn top pair and check hands.

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Hand one is bad. I don't hate it if I had AT or worse.

I think hand two is solid.

Neither of these are my standard play.

I sucked at Poker during my stars days compared to now. I was probably one of the top three players in the 20/40 game before the pandemic hit. I think I am significantly better now as I prepare for my return.
In your Stars days, you knew how to bet top pair. Before the pandemic hit, there were more than 2 other players in your games who knew how to bet top pair.
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Old 04-13-2021, 03:53 AM   #17
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Re: A couple turn top pair and check hands.

hand 2 makes some sense to me
seems somewhat wawb and can induce?

maybe the pancemic got to me as well

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Old 04-14-2021, 02:43 PM   #18
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Re: A couple turn top pair and check hands.

The problem is that opponent has a) so much stuff that will call two streets; b) hands that have equity

Like is he really folding kk or t9s here?
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Old 04-15-2021, 06:48 PM   #19
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Re: A couple turn top pair and check hands.

To quote the Green Elephant... "Bet your ... hand"
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