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Old 04-08-2021, 02:26 PM   #1
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A couple turn top pair and check hands.

Hand 1) I open the button with AsKc and the TAG in the SB three bets, BB folds and I call. He seems to know what he is doing but I don't have many reads yet.

Ad8c3h....SB bets, I call planning to raise the turn. Anybody raise the flop?

Ad8c3hQc...SB checks, I check planning to call a river bet or bet when checked to. Does anybody raise/fold the river in this situation?

Hand 2) TAGGY younger kid opens HJ and I 3 bet AsTh, folded back to him and he calls.

6d7s9c....He checks, I bet, He calls.

6d7s9cAh...He checks, I check planning to call river or bet when checked to.
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Old 04-08-2021, 02:45 PM   #2
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Re: A couple turn top pair and check hands.

Why are you checking?
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Old 04-08-2021, 03:27 PM   #3
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Re: A couple turn top pair and check hands.

I have no idea why you're checking hand one. You can get value from pairs, straight draws, smaller aces, flush draws, and have outs against two pair. I would be bet/calling the turn in hand one.

Hand two his range is too wide not to go for value and you have better candidates for checking behind (queens and kings come to mind).
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Old 04-08-2021, 04:01 PM   #4
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Re: A couple turn top pair and check hands.

Hand 1 is supposed to be a rainbow flop. Sorry!
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Old 04-08-2021, 06:18 PM   #5
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Re: A couple turn top pair and check hands.

There’s just too much value to betting/equity denial in both these spots. Are you worried about getting c/r?
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Old Yesterday, 11:29 AM   #6
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Re: A couple turn top pair and check hands.

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Thereís just too much value to betting/equity denial in both these spots. Are you worried about getting c/r?
I'm not thinking in terms of being "worried" about getting C/R. I'm trying to figure out the most effecient way to play the hand.

Hand 1) Why would the SB be checking this turn? Is he giving up? Is he going for a screw play? Is he is check/calling a weaker hand he wants to get to showdown?

I think AK is probably too strong to check back here. I think AJ or smaller makes sense. If he is checking to give up we don't make any more money but he might call a river bet after the turn check or bluff or make a thin v bet. If he is checking to screw play it will often be with a stronger hand.

Obviously if I thought we could get three streets of value I would just bet all of my Aces. I'm not so sure the way this board has come.

Hand 2) I think checking back is a solid play. His call on the flop looks like UIP overs. I think he is more likely to have a bigger Ace if he has one. I don't feel great about getting three streets of value with a worse hand. I don't feel great about paying three BB's the rest of the way. Again, I may induce a thin bet or bluff on the river from a hand that may fold the turn.
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Old Yesterday, 12:10 PM   #7
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Re: A couple turn top pair and check hands.

Hand 1 raise flop. Your flop call on this board is just too telling and leads to FPS on turn.

Hand 2 somewhat interested in checking flop but don't feel confident about it. It's a better board for him than you, I think.
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Old Yesterday, 01:18 PM   #8
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Hand 1 raise flop. Your flop call on this board is just too telling and leads to FPS on turn.

Hand 2 somewhat interested in checking flop but don't feel confident about it. It's a better board for him than you, I think.
I think raising the flop in hand one is the play. I'm not peeling here lightly or floating. I will on occasion bluff raise if I have a hand like 6c7c or 9cTc. I'm just calling pairs under an Ace.

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Old Yesterday, 01:35 PM   #9
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Hand 1 raise flop. Your flop call on this board is just too telling and leads to FPS on turn.

Hand 2 somewhat interested in checking flop but don't feel confident about it. It's a better board for him than you, I think.
I think raising the flop in hand one is the play. I'm not peeling here lightly or floating. I will on occasion bluff raise if I have a hand like 6c7c or 9cTc. I'm just calling pairs under an Ace.

I have very little understanding with regards to when it is appropriate to check back flops. I would love to here more discussion or examples for when it makes sense.
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Old Yesterday, 03:17 PM   #10
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What stakes are these anyway? If itís 8/16 I think you are giving your opponent way too much credit. I prefer to just bet and keep betting for thin value. Big street raises are rare and often the nuts so we can just b/f a ton and not be exploited. If you know your opponent is capable of bluffing, then all it does is skew it to a b/c.
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Re: A couple turn top pair and check hands.

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Why are you checking?

Itís limit poker. Bet the turns.


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