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Originally Posted by asmitty
I bet all 5 and generally don't have a checkback range in this spot. I might consider checking some stuff against experts or truly awful players but realistically most opponents peel flop/fold turn too much and under-bluff river so I'd rather double barrel everything versus most people. In a vacuum I could be convinced that carving up my range on the turn is better but I think the perception that I will double-barrel everything elicits more folds from people bc they know they won't get free/cheap cards. (This is primarily a NL concept but in my experience it transfers pretty well to LHE too.)
for this to work against a thinking player, you'll have to deal with turn xr of 30-45%. Also, you have to start bet/calling down with hands as weak as KT/A6.
Here's the EV breakdown of what you're suggesting vs it's weakness:
-- IP Cbetting Flop
70% (GTO) = 3.68 EV after bet flop
100% (Easy) = 3.46 EV after bet flop
6% EV loss < not a huge loss here, but significant
-- OOP
1.89 EV x turn (vs gto)
3.14 EV x turn (delaying value)
EV gain from OOP adjusting to exploit your turn cbet = +66% EV gain in their turn X
note: we give up significant EV from not XR the flop often, but this drastic shift on the turn outweighs it. Not the real point here.
-- IP Cbetting Turn
70% (GTO) = 6.64 EV after bet turn
100% (Easy) = 4.85 EV after bet turn (vs delays)
27% EV loss
Really just wanted to highlight the massive flaw in this approach vs anyone who will delay value to the turn. Also trying to learn/develop check back ranges on the fly vs "dangerous" guys who will do this is not wise at game speed.
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The argument for bet/bet/check vs passive players is inherently flawed.
Since those playertypes don't xr many of their stronger holdings on the flop, even when they peel wide we should be checking back the turn very often due to the strength of their xc range's equity.
(e.g. if we pound it we aren't making money...)
i like money as much as I hate bet100/bet100/check
Last edited by avoidthe9to5; 05-03-2017 at 04:31 AM.