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04-23-2019 , 11:49 PM
Villain is 80/47/2.2 over a smallish sample 3 handed but i don't think it would be any different if we were at a full table.

I will cut the action at the turn but want to hear what you think of the flop peel also...seems standard in a big pot i think. Turn is where I am more curious. Getting 6.5:1 against this villain is this a snap call?

[converted_hand][hand_history]IPoker, $0.25/$0.50 Limit Hold'em Cash, 3 Players
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Preflop: Hero is SB with A Q
BTN raises, Hero 3-bets, BB folds, BTN caps, Hero calls

Flop: (9 SB) J 3 2 (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets, Hero calls

Turn: (5.5 BB) 6 (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets, Hero ?
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04-24-2019 , 12:52 AM
Spoiler:
keep clicking call
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04-24-2019 , 02:17 AM
seems like a standard call down to me.
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04-24-2019 , 02:23 AM
Vs. this guy you just x/c down. Call turn and call every river except an A or Q which should be x/r’ed. If there was an A or Q on flop or turn, I’d delay until river.
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04-24-2019 , 05:08 AM
default play is standard, exploitive play needs notes about his postflop style.
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04-25-2019 , 04:32 PM
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Originally Posted by rodeo
Vs. this guy you just x/c down. Call turn and call every river except an A or Q which should be x/r’ed. If there was an A or Q on flop or turn, I’d delay until river.
Would rather donk Ax river and would probably not delay more than 1 street at most (especially with Qx). Otherwise agree.
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04-25-2019 , 04:34 PM
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Originally Posted by asmitty
Would rather donk Ax but otherwise agree.


Why would you want to donk an A into a guy that’s super bluff heavy? The point of delaying to the river with and A or Q vs. this opponent specifically is that he’s maniacal and often doesn’t have much. It’s an exploitative adjustment vs. a maniac.
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04-25-2019 , 04:36 PM
I just think it's optimistic to assume we will get 2 bets from worse and I don't want 3 bets (or 0 bets) going in on the river.
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04-25-2019 , 04:39 PM
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Originally Posted by asmitty
I just think it's optimistic to assume we will get 2 bets from worse and I don't want 3 bets (or 0 bets) going in on the river.

Did you look at his stats? He’s a ****ing nutjob. The guy isn’t going to check any street on any card ever especially an A river.
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04-26-2019 , 07:37 AM
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Originally Posted by rodeo
Did you look at his stats? He’s a ****ing nutjob. The guy isn’t going to check any street on any card ever especially an A river.
Yes.

And I hit my Q and got in a c/r on the river.
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04-27-2019 , 10:54 AM
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Originally Posted by rodeo
Did you look at his stats? He’s a ****ing nutjob. The guy isn’t going to check any street on any card ever especially an A river.
even maniacs mind the ace in the capped pot. Especially when somebody calling them down
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04-27-2019 , 11:29 AM
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Originally Posted by gr26
even maniacs mind the ace in the capped pot. Especially when somebody calling them down


I don’t think the fact that a maniac capped pre flop really means much. Often maniacs will cap very, very wide HU IP on the BTN vs. a SB 3 bet.

Maniacs don’t stop betting when an A comes in this spot. If this maniac is thinking, an A is only part of our range, and he may consider we we have TT, 99, 88, 77, 55, 44, Kx, Qx and continue to bet hoping to get us to fold.

I’m operating under these two assumptions vs. a maniac,
1. The maniac’s range is wide.
2. Maniac’s will bet far to thinly for value.

So if we donk an A, we will get called by all of his value (that would bet had we checked) and he’ll fold all of his bluffs. If we check, he’ll bet too thin for value (and may call our x/r) and will also continue to bet all of his bluffs. I think that’s a pretty reasonable assumption from a maniac. So when we check, we get a bet from all the hands that would call our donk, and we gain a bet from all his bluffs that would fold to our donk.
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04-28-2019 , 02:07 AM
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Originally Posted by rodeo
Maniacs don’t stop betting when an A comes in this spot. If this maniac is thinking, an A is only part of our range, and he may consider we we have TT, 99, 88, 77, 55, 44, Kx, Qx and continue to bet hoping to get us to fold.

I’m operating under these two assumptions vs. a maniac,
1. The maniac’s range is wide.
1. maniacs are not idiots (i mean they are not the same).
2. maniacs are different that's why we need more information about his style.
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04-28-2019 , 05:09 AM
Calling down seems standard. Agree with xr queen for value and think betting ace is reasonable option since even a maniac can check back weaker pairs.
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04-28-2019 , 09:55 AM
I think call down is standard x/r river Q like donking an A river. But who knows haven't played LHE online in forever!
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04-28-2019 , 12:27 PM
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Originally Posted by nyrugby
I think call down is standard x/r river Q like donking an A river. But who knows haven't played LHE online in forever!
Well what are you waiting for?!
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05-05-2019 , 07:04 PM
Ya there’s no decisions to be had here. If a red king bangs off on the end I could possibly defend folding but besides that.

The only question is whether or not we go for a value raise on a rivered A or Q. I say yes on all Queens and a black ace. Less sure on a red ace.


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05-06-2019 , 10:35 AM
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Originally Posted by jdr0317
Ya there’s no decisions to be had here. If a red king bangs off on the end I could possibly defend folding but besides that.

The only question is whether or not we go for a value raise on a rivered A or Q. I say yes on all Queens and a black ace. Less sure on a red ace.


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Assuming this player is as aggressive as his stats indicate I would think all A's and Q's should be CR'd on the river.

It would be tough to fold any river against a player like this until I see him check back some hands and not mindlessly barrel off.
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05-06-2019 , 10:37 AM
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Originally Posted by mongidig
Assuming this player is as aggressive as his stats indicate I would think all A's and Q's should be CR'd on the river.

It would be tough to fold any river against a player like this until I see him check back some hands and not mindlessly barrel off.
My only reservation w/r/t check raising a red ace is that I'm basically never folding to a 3 bet versus said opponent. So obv paying off a 3 bet (potentially incorrectly, albeit probably not) on a wetter turn card isn't the most appealing.

It could be good though, I've played opponents where it for sure is.
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