Full Tilt Limit Hold'em, $6.00 BB (9 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with A, J
2 folds, Hero raises, 1 fold, MP3 3-bets, CO calls, 2 folds, BB calls, Hero calls

Flop: (12.5 SB) K, 9, A (4 players)
BB checks, Hero checks, MP3 checks, CO checks

Turn: (6.25 BB) 10 (4 players)
BB checks, Hero checks, MP3 checks, CO checks

River: (6.25 BB) 6 (4 players)
BB bets, Hero calls, 2 folds

Total pot: $49.50 (8.25 BB) | Rake: $2
Main pot: $49.50 (8.25 BB) between Hero and BB

is there a specific part of this hand you're not sure about, or do you just want general feedback?

i want some feedback on the entire hand, but especially the turn. i thought i should check because i still didnt think my hand was any good, so i just wanted to check/call down. i didnt feel like betting anyone else's hand for them on the turn.

i don't mind the flop play (i probably play it the same) but once it gets checked through i certainly bet the turn for value

You may have the best hand on this flop but the board is riddled with potential problems. Cards in the playing range, gut shots, underpairs and, of course the flush draws.

You didn't include any reads so I think a donk hoping for an aggro raise by KQ, QQ. AT or the like to give you some protection. I think this gives you the best chance to play your hand correctly and avoid as many potholes as you can.

As played, I think that the turn bet is a must. You have to protect what is very probably the best hand at this point. If you get called by the BB and he donks the flush card, you will be getting only 7 to 1 and are probably not ahead that often.

When the river was free you are now getting only 3 to 1 but BB's range could be a lot larger making this a tougher call/fold decision but the pot is so small, just give it up.

Instabet the turn. A pf three bettor and cold callers all check the flop. You're good here more than one time in four.

If mp3 is a reasonable player he never checks behind on the flop with a hand you beat, thus I bet the turn.

*g*

If you were not planning to c/r the flop, checking would be terrible.

After flop checks around, you must bet that turn!

Looks like you have general MUBS in this hand.

Wow at CO preflop.

MP3 had QQ/JJ.

And yes, checking the turn after flop was checked through on a drawy board 4-way is leaving money on the table with a TPGK + GS to nut straight.

Seems like a couple of you want a bet or a check-raise on the flop. I haven't read this forum in a long, long time. Is that really the way you guys play in these games now?

I'd be trying to figure out how to get to a showdown cheap once that flop comes out. Unless MP3 has a really wide 3-betting range, betting the flop just gives him a chance to raise when Hero is drawing nearly dead or get away cheap when MP3 is. Both of those outcomes are terrible for Hero.

I don't see a lot of value here in hoping MP3 will raise to knock the others out. It would be quite a parlay for MP3 to raise a hand weaker than AJ AND for someone to fold a hand that Hero actually wants them to fold, but they wouldn't have folded for just one bet. In other words, it doesn't help Hero if MP3 raises AK and knocks out someone with QT.

So I'd just the flop and see what happens, planning to call.

As for the turn play, it's clearly a bet. The odds of having the best hand go up dramatically once everyone checks, and Hero really don't want to give a free card.

^ Hopefully you'll keep visiting more often as your flop discussion is spot on.

This is where you got it wrong.

Why would AA, KK, AK, 99 or AQ let that flop check through? Board isn't that scary just yet and he has three opponents who could easily call with worse hands. Not betting any of those hands would be pretty awful.

Assume Hero c/c the flop and we go HU to the turn. Do you mind risking the turn being checked through?

Pot'll be 7.25BB going to the turn then.

What hands could Villain have he'd take a free card on turn with ?

QQ (6 combos) - 3 outs
JJ (3 combos) - 5 outs

That's ~3.7 outs on average. Then villain could perhaps have KdQd so let's say Villain has ~4 outs on average when behind. We could induce a FTOP mistake for the villain as he might overestimate his outs and call getting 8.25:1. OTOH, if we induce Villain to fold QQ/JJ we have gained nothing. Villain could also fire a second barrel with those HU.

We are behind:

AA (1 combo) - 4 outs
KK (3 combos) - 4 outs
99 (3 combos) - 4 outs
TT (3 combos - maybe discount as might not c-bet flop) - 4 outs
AK (6 combos) - 4 outs
AQ (8 combos) - 6 win outs + 6 split outs


We are more often behind than ahead so we do not have a value bet to make. Villain has position and can unfortunately use it here to his advantage.

Thus the problem when you play AJo from MP in a loose game. Not that you should not play AJo, but you should be very well prepared to face difficult decisions when you do.
You get 3 bet and the CO cold calls 3. Likely you have quality hands behind you, therefore checking the flop I do not strongly disagree with. Although you could have bet into the 3 better who, if is holding as mid pair would fold, or if holding broadway cards should raise which may narrow the field and improve your potential. Checking through on the flop, I agree is an instant turn bet. Don't let the villain draw to a gutshot for free.
Pending your read on the players either take this one to war and play the hand like it is best until someone tells you otherwise or fold to any action. Don't take the middle road as it could lead to trouble.

Sure. When MP3 checks it's almost always going to be with QQ or JJ. That's either three outs or one out to win and four to chop for MP3. Giving a free card there is not exactly a disaster when the other option likely involves Hero putting in multiple bets out of position with four outs or less.

It's hard to even think of a read that would make me want to go to war with AJ out of position on an AKx flop against someone who 3-bet preflop. There's nothing wrong with the middle road, especially when you are likely way ahead or way behind.

Yeah well, make that 3 outs too. 1 to win, 4 to split. So Villain has little over 3 outs on average when he checks behind.

PokerStove:
Board: Kh 9d Ad Ts

90.909% { AcJh }
9.091% { QQ-JJ, KdQd } And KdQd shouldn't be in his range that often.

You aren't risking much vs the range he might take a free card with.

That should read: 3 win outs + 6 split outs.