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Old 08-27-2017, 05:00 PM   #1
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AA line check

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V1 has been playing solid. Competent player that has been steadily winning. Every hand he shows down is a decent hand and played well.

V2 has only been at the table maybe 30 minutes and is already down 200 maybe a little more. He's been drinking and is raising pre every hand.

V1 limps from middle position, v2 raises the cut off, hero 3 bets AsA on the button. V1 caps and everyone calls.

Flop is 10,5,6 rainbow. V1 leads, V2 raises, I 3 bet, v1 caps and we all call. At this point alarms are starting to go off I think he flopped a set based on how he has previously played. I haven't seen him raise let alone 4 bet without a solid hand.

Turn is Kh. V1 bets and we all call.

River was a blank. I can't remember the card but it really changed nothing. V1 bets and we both call. V1 shows down 5/6 suited.

Should I have gotten away from my hand on this board with this kind of aggression from a competent player or was calling down good play?
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Old 08-27-2017, 05:22 PM   #2
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Re: AA line check

I'm usually the advocate for folding, but I can't fold here. It looks like V1 either had a big starting hand or else went on tilt from the other guy raising so much and decided to go nuts.

If he started with a big hand, the flop changes nothing. After the turn you lose to KK, but it also makes AK more likely to keep betting, so you can't fold there either. I don't love my hand on the river, but can't really fold there either.

As it turns out, V1 was not really that solid, or at least not after going on tilt from the constant raising. Who knows if he would have kept the gas on had he not flopped a big hand. You can't know something like that without a lot of history with the guy.
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Old 08-27-2017, 05:33 PM   #3
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I'm usually the advocate for folding, but I can't fold here. It looks like V1 either had a big starting hand or else went on tilt from the other guy raising so much and decided to go nuts.

If he started with a big hand, the flop changes nothing. After the turn you lose to KK, but it also makes AK more likely to keep betting, so you can't fold there either. I don't love my hand on the river, but can't really fold there either.

As it turns out, V1 was not really that solid, or at least not after going on tilt from the constant raising. Who knows if he would have kept the gas on had he not flopped a big hand. You can't know something like that without a lot of history with the guy.

This is how I was feeling. I think he was a little on the tilty side from getting constantly raised. That and I think he realized I had adjusted and was raising v2 lighter since I had position on him. Then I think he flopped huge and ran with it. Initially I thought AK,AQ, or a big pocket pair. I have been thinking about how I played and just wanted a couple other opinions. I think on that board I was never going anywhere. But just wanted to see what others thought.
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Old 08-27-2017, 07:30 PM   #4
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V1 has been playing solid. Competent player that has been steadily winning. Every hand he shows down is a decent hand and played well.

V2 has only been at the table maybe 30 minutes and is already down 200 maybe a little more. He's been drinking and is raising pre every hand.

V1 limps from middle position, v2 raises the cut off, hero 3 bets AsA on the button. V1 caps and everyone calls.

Flop is 10,5,6 rainbow. V1 leads, V2 raises, I 3 bet, v1 caps and we all call. At this point alarms are starting to go off I think he flopped a set based on how he has previously played. I haven't seen him raise let alone 4 bet without a solid hand.

Turn is Kh. V1 bets and we all call.

River was a blank. I can't remember the card but it really changed nothing. V1 bets and we both call. V1 shows down 5/6 suited.

Should I have gotten away from my hand on this board with this kind of aggression from a competent player or was calling down good play?
I'd readjust my read on V1 from solid to meh, unless this is him limping with the idea of LRR (which is defensible given relative positions). Since that's what he did, let's give him some benefit of the doubt, though this line is always suspicious.

I would definitely not be putting him on a set given flop action. I still like my hand a lot here.

I don't like my hand as much anymore on that turn and would just call down from there, but I'd be raising any J, or 9 or lower.
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Old 08-27-2017, 08:40 PM   #5
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Re: AA line check

No doubt V1 thought you could be raising really wide here. The LRR gives him two hands: premium pair and his actual hand. Depending on the flop he could try to get you out of the pot, or suck you for several bets. He hit his miracle flop, with a somewhat disguised hand.

You probably have to call down, though.
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Old 08-27-2017, 08:58 PM   #6
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Re: AA line check

I'd probably raise the turn
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Old 09-02-2017, 05:06 AM   #7
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Re: AA line check

i flat call v2 raise on the flop with the intention of raising his turn bet.

as played, i like it. you capped preflop and capped the flop, villain one leads out on Kh turn? he no scare of aye-king.
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Old 09-06-2017, 11:26 AM   #8
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Re: AA line check

Most "AA line check" posts are thinly disguised bad-beat stories. You can improve the disguise of yours by leaving out the results next time.

I would love to see more "AA line check" posts that are about extracting value from worse hands.
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Old 09-06-2017, 03:57 PM   #9
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I would love to see more "AA line check" posts that are about extracting value from worse hands.
So something like this?

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I pick up AA OTB. There are three limpers and I raise. BB calls as does everyone else. 5 see the flop.

The flop is Q74r. Checked to me, and I bet.

The turn is a 3, completing the 65 straight draw. Checked to me and I bet.

The river is a T. BB leads and there are two callers to me, and I call.

I lose to T7s. Did I extract the most value possible?
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Old 09-06-2017, 05:50 PM   #10
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i flat call v2 raise on the flop with the intention of raising his turn bet.
This is correct. I'd also expect to get the added bonus of V1 3 betting flop and then we get to raise the turn anyways. I wouldn't raise a King though.
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Old 09-07-2017, 02:35 AM   #11
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Re: AA line check

What's the range of a "solid" player who open limps from middle position and then caps the 3 bet that comes around with only 3 villains in the hand? Seems as if it almost has to be limited to mid to small suited connectors. Big pairs and broadway overs are raised to open and folded to the 3 bet if they are small broadways that are not suited. Small pairs are either folded or at best call the 3 bet. Axs or Kxs seem possible but very unlikely.

When V1 leads on the 10 5 6r board what's V1's range now? If the range above is correct, the range now has to be 34s, 56s, 78s, A5s, A6s, K5s, K6s. Again, the Ax and Kx hands seem unlikely. A solid player is unlikely to lead with those hands. V2's range on the flop seems to be of little concern other than the possibility of a flopped set of 10s. So, I like the 3 bet with your AA. V1s cap is either a draw or a made hand. The cap bet doesn't narrow V1s range.

OTT, V2 certainly could have KK, but given OP's read that V2 is somewhat of a maniac, V2 cannot be given too much respect. If we liked 3 betting the flop, I am inclined to raise here too, but it's a close call.

Calling down on the river seems an easy decision.
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Old 09-07-2017, 10:48 AM   #12
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Re: AA line check

Sometimes, a player spite-caps with their entire opening range. It's going to be capped anyway, right?
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