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08-04-2021 , 09:30 AM
20-40 8 handed

I open 88 UTG, Villain A three bets next in, Villain B cold calls the button, Villain C calls the SB, I call. 4 handed, 13 bets

Villain A is okay but wide pre when first in, he plays his cards as absolute regardless of position (ie he would never fold KJ pre regardless of action because kj is a good hand). villain b is a complete spaz.

Flop is 752r

I check, villain A bets, villain b raises, villain c cold calls, I look left and villain a has calling chips out.
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08-04-2021 , 11:40 AM
Nobody is gonna fold to a raise so raising here is not necessary even though you are winning a lot of the time. Committing less chips until you have more information is best in my opinion. If the players are as weak as you describe folding is probably your worst option even though there might be a higher pocket pair from the three bettor. I’d call and assess your options after the turn hits. If it’s another low card I might try check raising the turn for value. If the preflop aggressor 3 bets flop you might want to check fold turn if you think he is strong or an AKQ hits the board.
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08-04-2021 , 05:22 PM
Call.
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08-05-2021 , 03:51 AM
I'd 3-bet, you're winning this pot > 25% of the time.
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08-05-2021 , 04:26 AM
I like a 3bet. The spaz is often spazzing. Villain A's tell is sometimes a ploy to keep you from raising him. I would take the opportunity to try and blast him off of 2 overcards. I am slightly worried about SB being a wuss with 99-JJ, but otherwise things look good.
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08-05-2021 , 08:34 PM
We checked so we could CR - no reason to back out on that now. Especially if villain A is readying a call he has over cards all the time so put him in a tough spot. Besides what is your plan for the turn if you just call. Spazz could be raising anything so no guarantee you get to CR the turn. If SB has a bigger overpair then god bless him and give him the chips.
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08-05-2021 , 11:22 PM
Does removing the calling tell make a difference? It’s not like he is betting KQ into three players including one who raised Utg. His only unpaired hand is likely ak
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08-06-2021 , 11:42 AM
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Originally Posted by ninefingershuffle
Does removing the calling tell make a difference? It’s not like he is betting KQ into three players including one who raised Utg. His only unpaired hand is likely ak
He can't have AQ or AJ? It's not like this is a scary flop. I see people C bet here all of the time with worse. Maybe KQs or QJs with a back door flush? If those are in his range.

I would still 3 bet. getting player A to fold over cards is a big win. The best case scenario would be player A folds, the spaz caps a draw(which you have blockers) or a worse hand and the SB decides it's time to let it go.

I don't like calling and waiting to CR the field on the turn. I want to make sure to maintain the betting lead. A free card on the turn could be a disaster with such a vulnerable hand. Also, player A may have the same idea as you.

This is a spot to be optimistic. If you are beat by player A you are about to find out.

BTW..AK is a big part of his range.

Last edited by mongidig; 08-06-2021 at 11:53 AM.
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08-07-2021 , 01:37 AM
Without the tell, I would call.
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08-07-2021 , 04:16 AM
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Originally Posted by ninefingershuffle
Does removing the calling tell make a difference? It’s not like he is betting KQ into three players including one who raised Utg. His only unpaired hand is likely ak
If his only unpaired hand is AK, then it would be a massive punt to continue without the tell. I just doubt that he only has AK and overpairs. You said he plays stuff like KJo regardless of position or pre-flop raises, so he sounds pretty bad. Surely such a player can cbet a lot of backdoor stuff here?

But most importantly, calling doesn't make much sense here without the tell because we are so often going to face a cap anyway. If things are really so grim, a fold would be much better. Otherwise, we should still 3bet.
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