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8/16 - TT with fireworks OTF 8/16 - TT with fireworks OTF

10-21-2017 , 07:53 PM
Utg limps, I raise TT next to act, MP, blinds and utg call

5-way (10 SB): 872
BB bets, utg calls, I raise, MP and SB call, BB 3b, utg and I call, MP caps, all call

5-way (15 BB): K
X to MP who bets, all call, action on me...

All villains are run of the mill LAP 8/16 players.

I have a feeling that call and get to SD is going to be the standard answer despite the insane action from typically passive players on such a bone dry flop, but I thought I'd double check.

Best play?
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10-21-2017 , 11:24 PM
Your call on the turn closes the action does it not? If so, calling there is a no-brainer because you have implied odds to chase your set, plus the remote possibility that MP has some raggedy two pair on the flop giving you some hidden outs.

I re-evaluate on the river. If it's two bets to me and I don't improve it's an easy fold. If it's only one bet around to me and I don't improve, folding is probably correct especially if the river is an overcard to the TT, especially if there are are one or more callers (who can't be bluffing) and if there is a chance of a raise behind me.

Personally, though, I don't think I'm a good enough player to fold a hopeless hand for 1 bet in a 20-24BB pot.
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10-22-2017 , 04:47 AM
Easy call on the turn as you're closing the action.

I can't see how you're ahead on the river unimproved unless MP and BB are losing their minds on a dry flop. I'd like to think I could find a fold.
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10-22-2017 , 12:10 PM
LAP? Who/what is LAP?
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10-22-2017 , 12:29 PM
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Originally Posted by BobC
LAP? Who/what is LAP?
BobC everybody.
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10-22-2017 , 01:13 PM
Loose-Aggresive-Player. He should've used the more standard 'LAG's.'
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10-22-2017 , 06:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Howard Beale
Loose-Aggresive-Player. He should've used the more standard 'LAG's.'
LAP: loose and passive
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10-22-2017 , 06:33 PM
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Originally Posted by jdr0317
BobC everybody.
I swear he's trolling. All he does is ask the same questions
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10-22-2017 , 06:39 PM
I am not trolling. I am just unfamiliar with some of the abbreviations (and notation in some cases.) If other posters find it objectionable, I'll stop.
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10-22-2017 , 07:04 PM
'Loose and passive' = 'LP.' Plus 'Loose and passive' + 'fireworks OTF' does not compute.
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10-22-2017 , 08:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Howard Beale
'Loose and passive' = 'LP.' Plus 'Loose and passive' + 'fireworks OTF' does not compute.
Well I think LP is more commonly associated with Late Position so LAP makes more sense to me as an abbreviation for Loose Passive. It's also keeping in flow with TAG as Tight Aggressive, as opposed to TG.

In regards to 'Loose and passive' + 'fireworks OTF' does not compute, I agree and that's the whole point of my post. Here we have multiple LAPs going nuts on a dry flop while we hold an overpair. That's why I was asking how to proceed OTT.
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10-22-2017 , 08:12 PM
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Originally Posted by BobC
I am not trolling. I am just unfamiliar with some of the abbreviations (and notation in some cases.) If other posters find it objectionable, I'll stop.
I'm glad to hear you're not trolling but I hope you can see why I think that. In one post you asked what BDFD is, you were answered, and then you asked it again in the same post. And all your posts are the same questions...questions that can be easily googled. But if no one else objects then yeah don't sweat it. It's not that big a deal.
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10-22-2017 , 09:23 PM
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Originally Posted by DTLB
Well I think LP is more commonly associated with Late Position so LAP makes more sense to me as an abbreviation for Loose Passive. It's also keeping in flow with TAG as Tight Aggressive, as opposed to TG.

In regards to 'Loose and passive' + 'fireworks OTF' does not compute, I agree and that's the whole point of my post. Here we have multiple LAPs going nuts on a dry flop while we hold an overpair. That's why I was asking how to proceed OTT.
OK. So what I do is look at everyone and base my decisions on what I see bec there's no way to figure out if you're good or not any other way. My inclination is to call down in the massive pot but if 2 out of the 4 villains look happy w/ the action I can find a fold. Don't want to, but can.
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10-24-2017 , 11:36 PM
I fold turn even closing action. Hitting your set would compete one open ended draw, and another likely draw includes one of your outs.
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10-25-2017 , 09:29 AM
I think LAP makes sence to describe a Loose and Passive player. The action on the flop computes if they have hands that crush you. One of these guy's has a set of 22's and the other a cleverly played pair of AA's. The pot it pretty darn huge and just about big enough to spike a set. I'm not super concerned about a ten completing a straight. I'd be optimistic and probably call. I'm not calling river UIP.

There is also the non zero chance that they have 78 or maybe someones overplaying top pair.

On the other hand, I can see losing additional bets on the river when a 2 or K hits and you're still no good.

Last edited by mongidig; 10-25-2017 at 09:38 AM.
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