Not quite a typical no fold'em hold'em game - very few raises preflop (raised hands preflop have been QQ, KK, AA, and I've seen JJ and AK limpcalled), many 5-way flops, but villains seem more willing to fold for one bet in big pots than normal, and bets at this table haven't been the nuts - I've seen A9 bet into 5 people on a T95 monotone board for example.

5 limpers, I'm on the button with KQo and I raise. Both blinds and all limpers call.
Flop is 875tt. Checks around to me and I check (seems standard, no better hands are going to fold).
Turn is a K. Two checks and a bet. two folds and now it's on me.

Seems a pretty easy raise and it's not even close. He could easily have a medium or weak king. I think he sensed weakness when everyone checked and thought his top pair gave him the best hand.

If he has K5, K7, K8 or if he nailed the flop and slowplayed it hoping I would c-bet the flop so he could raise, he can have my money.

Thoughts?

I would raise now to charge the max vs. someones 4-8 outers. If 3-bet on the turn I call and re-evaluate river. Obviously if no one 3-bets the turn I am betting the river if checked to.

I would raise turn, but if you are 3-bet, it is a fold without any unusual read. Most 4-8 players wouldn't even reraise two pair there, so you're most likely drawing dead.

I agree. Even if he is 3 betting two pair, it's more likely to be K8 which leaves you with way less outs than if he has K5 or 75. Low limit players tend to just look at the absolute strength of a hand instead of it's relative value.

This being said, if we think this guy can hand read, then I would call and reevaluate. This should be a super easy 3 bet with any two pair for the villain.

This being said, most 4-8 players don't hand read well. They also fear the worst when raised on a big street. Plus, you still need to improve.

I would raise.

However, they always put you on AK and he's still betting? That's a little scary. Also, this is a pretty easy decision and you've made a post out of it, so my guess is that you raised and didn't have the best hand.

I would raise and checking some rivers back would be very reasonable. But strong + vulnerable hand pretty much always means raise without a compelling reason not to do it.

What do you mean "they always put you on AK?"

If you wouldn't mind I would prefer not to post the result. I can promise you that just because I post a hand doesn't mean I lost it. I just want to make sure I made the right decision.

I'd call, shrug.

I'd probably raise if positions were different

Less experienced players will often put you on AK. That's just what they do. Especially when you raise pre flop and then check the flop.

I wouldn't ever want you to post the results.

This the kind of spot where some kind of a read on the turn better would be a big help.

Absent any read I'm inclined to just call the turn. We have position. If he checks a non-scary river card, you can bet the river. If I had a read that the bettor would bet a wide range here (scary board, king on the turn, bet into preflop raiser), then I'd raise the turn.

This guy had bet into a field with nowhere near the nuts at least a couple times prior to this hand (I had only been at the table for about 90 minutes).

this is it, when you raise here, EVERYONE KNOWS YOU HAVE A SET OF KINGS



if you get bet/3bet on this turn you can fold to most people

I think you should pick hands you're confused about to post.

90% of hands you play will have zero questions, and 9% should be questionable at game speed but solvable you after you analyze it by yourself. Post the remaining 1%.

As it turns out, I think there is a question about raising vs calling (the bettor open-limped and in the game you described may have AK and may not bet Kx.

If you raise you should fold to a 3-bet. But unless villain has a huge range with which he'll give you 3 bets (turn plus river), you can spend 2 bets to get to showdown and know for certain.

If its heads up, I call down. Since this is a decent size pot, and I have two players behind me, I'm raising

does 875tt mean that there was a flush draw on flop?

I'm curious what is the minimum hand you would call a turn with .

So if i'm playing against any of you, in that spot, I should be 3 betting a large range of hands if ur always snap folding to a 3 bet. correct?

It depends on what the 3-bettor is 3-betting with. You want to call down with a range that beats 2/pot of their range.

Given that the entire reason people advocate raise/folding is to exploit the fact that 99.8% of live low stakes players are incapable of bluff 3 betting here, then yes, correct.

Of course over-bluffing in 3 bets opens yourself up to counter-exploitation too.

Sometimes literally nothing in your range beats anything in their range and you just fold 100% as a result. That's one of the profitable parts about playing level 1 thinking opposition.

Folding is a disaster when they have 57s, 78s etc. and even idiot s will put you on AK and 3 bet those hands

Come on, almost no one will 3-bet those hands in a 4/8 game. And even for the few people who will, those hands are a small part of their range.

This is why low limit is so easy


Vs old man Rivers. You snap fold to a 3 bet

To over aggressive mouth breathers. You raise and call down a 3 bet

Your typical 4-8 player. When you raise this turn, they know you have AK. And won't 3 bet unless they can beat Ak


A good player that knows can't have anything other than AK and is capable of 3 bet bluffing. You can't fold.


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Noob question - does "old man river" mean "tight passive, doesn't raise without the nuts?"

thats Old Man River yep