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Old 09-11-2017, 08:01 PM   #1
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8/16 - Q3s in BB. Best play OTF?

Three limps, BN raises, SB calls, I call in BB with Q3, rest call.

6-way (12 SB): AQ5
X to BN who bets, SB calls. On me...

Is this a standard call?
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Old 09-11-2017, 08:16 PM   #2
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Re: 8/16 - Q3s in BB. Best play OTF?

Yes. 14 to 1 with a pair and back foot draws
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Old 09-12-2017, 09:04 AM   #3
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Re: 8/16 - Q3s in BB. Best play OTF?

^this. only point to add is you are not committed to see a showdown. You're looking for Qs, 3s, and spades. If you don't get any of those in general you will c/f fold the turn (I mean, read the situation and do the math but don't blindly call down ui)
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Old 09-12-2017, 03:29 PM   #4
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Re: 8/16 - Q3s in BB. Best play OTF?

Unless some raises go in on the turn, we are pretty much priced into seeing a river card.
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Old 09-12-2017, 04:44 PM   #5
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Re: 8/16 - Q3s in BB. Best play OTF?

I don't think so.

If no one folds on a blank turn we'll be getting 11:1 facing a bet with 5 dirty outs. If you think those outs are 80% clean, then call. I think 50% is a better rule of thumb and fold
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Old 09-12-2017, 05:01 PM   #6
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Re: 8/16 - Q3s in BB. Best play OTF?

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I don't think so.

If no one folds on a blank turn we'll be getting 11:1 facing a bet with 5 dirty outs. If you think those outs are 80% clean, then call. I think 50% is a better rule of thumb and fold


5 dirty outs?? Seems like there are more. If BN has AQ or a set then 5 it is, but 5 outs to the second nut flush seems like the outs just have a bit of dust on them. They are at least 80% good. But as for dirty outs, we still have 3-3s and 2-Qs. 5 more dirty outs. I'd be calling a bet on the turn to see the river.


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Old 09-12-2017, 05:19 PM   #7
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Re: 8/16 - Q3s in BB. Best play OTF?

I really don't follow what you said. On a blank turn there is no flush draw to speak of

the 5x outs in question are 2x Qs and 3x 3s. I doubt anyone will disagree they are very dirty, it's just a matter of how dirty to make them when doing the math.
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Old 09-12-2017, 07:49 PM   #8
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Re: 8/16 - Q3s in BB. Best play OTF?

I definitely call flop.

On the turn, I would:

(a) checkraise a 3;
(b) donk or c/r a Q, depending on the number of players in between you and the button;
(c) check-call a 2, 4, or spade, and potentially an A or a 5 depending on the # of players left and your spidey sense;
(d) c/f a 6, 7, 8, 9, T, J, or K.
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Old 09-12-2017, 07:53 PM   #9
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I really don't follow what you said. On a blank turn there is no flush draw to speak of

the 5x outs in question are 2x Qs and 3x 3s. I doubt anyone will disagree they are very dirty, it's just a matter of how dirty to make them when doing the math.
My bad. I misread the flop as having 2 spades.
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Old 09-13-2017, 05:25 AM   #10
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I definitely call flop.

On the turn, I would:

(a) checkraise a 3;
(b) donk or c/r a Q, depending on the number of players in between you and the button;
(c) check-call a 2, 4, or spade, and potentially an A or a 5 depending on the # of players left and your spidey sense;
(d) c/f a 6, 7, 8, 9, T, J, or K.
Yeah this is a good plan. Right before I submitted my post I was like, "why did I write this? It's clearly a standard call", and yet I sent it anyways for some reason lol. I guess sometimes I need confirmation of basic things...
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Old 09-13-2017, 06:24 AM   #11
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Re: 8/16 - Q3s in BB. Best play OTF?

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I definitely call flop.

On the turn, I would:

(a) checkraise a 3;
(b) donk or c/r a Q, depending on the number of players in between you and the button;
(c) check-call a 2, 4, or spade, and potentially an A or a 5 depending on the # of players left and your spidey sense;
(d) c/f a 6, 7, 8, 9, T, J, or K.
Can you explain why you'd call a turn 5 but fold cards in (d)
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Old 09-13-2017, 06:27 PM   #12
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Re: 8/16 - Q3s in BB. Best play OTF?

Because we chop with all other Qx
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