Three limps, SB calls, I x JT in BB.

5-way (5 SB): AK5
I bet, two calls, LP raises, SB folds, rest call.

4-way (6.5 BB): 6
X to LP who bets, I call, rest fold.

HU (8.5 BB): Q
X or bet?

Is my line too passive? I doubt LP is raising a worse FD on this flop. Meanwhile KX is a legit possibility.

If you bet riv and get raised, is it a call or fold? Seems like a fold to me. I know you're not supposed to fold for another bet but 8/16 players rarely raise riv without the goods.

Thoughts on my line?

First of all with all these limpers before you and JTs I would see it as a good time to squeeze with a good size raise, then your semi bluff on the flop is very credible with the A if the limpers call you! However you have to think your flush is good here and a value bet on the river would only be called by a flush and more often than not you will win here. If they show KXs that is poker next time you win.

This is a limit game, so the bolded part doesn't work.

At game speed I might reraise the flop. I would raise the turn and lead out on the river. Your opponent could have AxKs, or similar hand. If I get raised on the river, I probably call unless I know the villain well.

Turn play is very, very bad. You have the second nuts and have to be check raising that turn. Not doing so is leaving $ on the table.

I'd raise pre

I'd just call flop raise as you did. I don't wanna blow customers out. I don't like 3 betting the flop then checking when UIP. I also don't like betting UIP on this board.

CR the turn.

If someone is in there with a better flush you're just going to lose several bets and that's all there is to it. Turn is a must raise as you basically have the nuts. Never folding a flush OTR here to a raise.

I also raise pre sometimes.

I raise preflop. My inclination is to donk turn given your relative position, but c/r is defensible too and certainly much better than c/c.

*grunch*
Raise preflop for value 5 ways.
Then jam flop, we'd like this to be capped. Again, for value.
Keep betting on turn. If raised, call down.

The pre-flop raise is totally optional. JTs is a great hand, but it's also a hand that flops plenty of second pairs, and top pair moderate kickers, which are tough to play OOP as the aggressor.

But the x/r on the turn is absolutely mandatory.

Definitely raising Pre

I'm ok with the bet/call on the flop, but I'd like a 3 bet for information.

I'd x/r the turn

Lead out for value on river.

I think there is missed value by not capitalizing on a discounted opportunity to build a pot with our speculative hand by raising pre. Not only that, but a raise gives us more credibility to c bet this flop. We can rep strong Aces, AK, and maybe look as if we're defending these holdings while drawing to our flush. This gives us a chance to bluff later if the flush doesn't hit as well. That being said, I like a 3 bet on the flop. You possibly squeeze some more equity, and gain some information based on what you know about the LP player whether he calls or caps it. When the turn hits, I think you have a good situation to check raise for value since you've taken a line that looks like your defending a strong pair or two pair. If we're 3 Bet after the x/r, I'm just making crying calls to showdown, perhaps losing value, but it's a decent sized pot at this point. Curious as to anyone's thoughts on this line?


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+1. Turn donk is definetly best here

In general, you are not looking to "rep" anything with c-bets in 5-way pots in 8/16. You are simply looking for value.

You should have plenty of Ax hands in your range, plus K5 and 55, to balance your flop bet if you in fact need any balance (which I doubt).

And to be clear-- I don't object to a pre-flop raise-- I raise QJ suited here, so I definitely have no problem with raising JT suited too. But the issue with raising isn't equity--we have plenty-- but playability and position. You are going to face a lot of situations like a KT7 flop where your c-bet gets called by two passive players. And those spots are not easy.

I'm new to limit but I tend to agree with this fwiw. Raising pre with the JTs feels more like a NL play where you can steal the limps or take it down OTF with a solid cbet. But we can't do that in limit so we're just bloating the pot hoping to flop a good draw, which doesn't happen that often, and then we'd have to play it oop. And flopping TP or second pair doesn't make things much easier either.

Seems like it would be better just to take a free flop and bloat the pot once we flop the draw. I would be much happier to raise pre over several limpers if I were OTB.

Thanks everyone. I can see I played the hand quite sub optimally, esp OTT. So many rookie mistakes I gotta fix lol! But that's why I'm here

I had no idea it was a limit game and stand corrected!

Raising pre is debatable, just calling the turn is not. When your plan works, enact it. This is a clear raise once you check and he bets.

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You missed some spots where you should've raised.