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8/16 hand, bluff river? 8/16 hand, bluff river?

03-27-2018 , 05:35 PM
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Originally Posted by lllusionist
Game dynamic is fairly loose/passive, full ring with 1 half solid player.
Only decent player is SB, is a reg at higher limits but seems fairly tilty tonight.
Two limps from EP/MP, SB raises and I complete the BB with 65cc, the limpers call.
Flop is J67r (1 club)
SB bets, I call, limpers call.
Turn 10c
SB checks and I bet, limpers call and he raises.
In my head he's got KQ / AXcc here a lot and I call planning to bluff a non face card (or 9) river assuming he barrels.
So I call, both limpers call as well and that's an issue.
River 3d.
SB bets.
Follow through ? Line check?
Is it normal to have to raise with what is effectively a bluff catcher here? Fancy play syndrome?
You can't bluff this river for many reasons. You lead out on turn and he raised you, rivers a blank, why would he fold to your raise, nothings changed and he didn't believe you on turn. Also, you have to people to act behind you. Now if a scare card fell on river..ur 9..and he leads out and other 2 fold and its on you...might be worth a try. I mean you want him to believe you had a made hand on a wet board and just called his turn raise?
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03-27-2018 , 05:46 PM
The value of making overcards fold is only realized if the small blinds betting range contains a certain fraction of unpaired hands. I put a slightly loose player in the small blind raising four ways preflop on a range like this:

66+ A7s+ K9s+ Etc down to T9s.

Then on the flop that range should be split into checking and betting ranges. Naturally the betting range should be very strong due to being so far out of position to three opponents.

Because of all that, I think the big blind should have a raising range that is significantly stronger than a good blind vs blind flop raising range. In other words if we take the limpers out of the equation, the value ranges involved would be much looser than the situation as presented in the original post. This is why raising the flop with this hand is not a part of my strategy.
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03-31-2018 , 06:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Bob148
The value of making overcards fold is only realized if the small blinds betting range contains a certain fraction of unpaired hands. I put a slightly loose player in the small blind raising four ways preflop on a range like this:

66+ A7s+ K9s+ Etc down to T9s.

Then on the flop that range should be split into checking and betting ranges. Naturally the betting range should be very strong due to being so far out of position to three opponents.

Because of all that, I think the big blind should have a raising range that is significantly stronger than a good blind vs blind flop raising range. In other words if we take the limpers out of the equation, the value ranges involved would be much looser than the situation as presented in the original post. This is why raising the flop with this hand is not a part of my strategy.


I would call flop although I don’t hate a raise. I would not bet turn. You are never getting folds on the J76T board. Even the hands that aren’t paired are still calling. It’s bad board texture to “bluff.” However, if you estimate you have 9 clubs and 5 pair+ outs to a winner, you are close to betting for value with three opponents and one card to come. In that sense, I think we are indifferent to money going in on the turn or not, but I think I would lean towards checking, expecting to never win without improving.

I don’t know what the hell you’re thinking on the river.


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