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Old 09-28-2017, 07:11 PM   #1
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8/16 - A6s flop decision

I open raise A6 in MP3, HJ and BN call.

3-way (7.5 SB): J83
I cbet, HJ calls and BN raises.

11.5:1...do I have enough to call here or should I just fold?

Also, is my hand ok or too loose for MP3?
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Old 09-28-2017, 09:18 PM   #2
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Re: 8/16 - A6s flop decision

I think the open raise from MP3 is fine.

I would call the flop raise and re-evaluate on the turn. I'm not calling a turn bet unless I pick up a flush draw or spike an A.
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Old 09-28-2017, 09:21 PM   #3
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Re: 8/16 - A6s flop decision

I'd fold. You can turn some cards, sure, but you're against a call and a check raise with a bad A hi.
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Old 09-29-2017, 06:36 AM   #4
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Re: 8/16 - A6s flop decision

Pre-flop is fine. On the flop I check and give up against some villains but usually bet. Once you get raised I'd fold.
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Old 09-29-2017, 08:53 AM   #5
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Oop on this board texture against two opponents I would check and then call 1 bet but not two. As played I think you have to peel.
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Old 09-29-2017, 02:02 PM   #6
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Re: 8/16 - A6s flop decision

I usually check the flop here.
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Old 09-29-2017, 02:24 PM   #7
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I peel flop but would fold without a BDFD. Checking and giving up is viable on this texture but it's not my default 3 ways.
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Old 09-29-2017, 03:58 PM   #8
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No reason to bet the flop. You'll almost never take it down, and equity against three ranges is very poor. Even if you are good, the hand is bad moneywise.
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Old 09-30-2017, 05:04 PM   #9
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What is BDFD?
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Old 09-30-2017, 05:13 PM   #10
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What is BDFD?
Back Door Flush Draw (one of his suit on the flop).
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Old 10-02-2017, 02:09 PM   #11
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Where is MP3?
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Old 10-02-2017, 07:48 PM   #12
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Where is MP3?
The question machine continues!

There are many ways that seats are labeled. I believe that the current convention is the following seat order, starting from the small blind:

SB
BB
UTG
UTG+1
MP1
MP2
MP3
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CO
B
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Old 10-04-2017, 10:47 PM   #13
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Re: 8/16 - A6s flop decision

So this is UTG 6max game, correct? Is that the lowest Axs you open?

Also, what ranges do you assign cold callers pre flop?

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Old 10-05-2017, 05:53 AM   #14
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So this is UTG 6max game, correct? Is that the lowest Axs you open?

Also, what ranges do you assign cold callers pre flop?
This is 9-handed. Yes this is the lowest AXs I open in this spot.

It's tough to accurately range 8/16 players because they cold call quite wide. I've opened KK utg and been cold called by 87o in MP.

In this case I'd assume any PP (up to and including KK), SC probably 54s+, many SG, any AXs, many KXs, decent QXs, ATo+, KQo...and probably even wider for BN.
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Old 10-05-2017, 03:49 PM   #15
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Re: 8/16 - A6s flop decision

Yeah I saw that it was 9-handed and I probably wasn’t clear with my first question so that’s my fault—this position would be UTG in a 6max game, correct? Everyone has A6s in their UTG 6max range? I don’t, and I might be too nitty, I just wanted to make sure I was counting the spots correctly.

With the bdfd I cbet as well expecting to get some light peels by gut shots, other bdfd’s, over cards, etc.

As played I think you have enough to peel to the turn getting 11.5 to one. I don’t think you always face a turn bet—if the players cold call that doesn’t mean the always barrel their draws or their made hands.
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Old 10-12-2017, 11:21 PM   #16
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What is BDFD?
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Old 10-13-2017, 12:57 AM   #17
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What is BDFD?
To BobC, the question machine:

BDFD = Backdoor Flush Draw
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Old 10-13-2017, 09:02 PM   #18
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To BobC, the question machine:

BDFD = Backdoor Flush Draw
I hate to speculate but I feel like BobC is trolling here. I hope I'm wrong but it's hard to believe that a person who's interested enough in poker to have found 2p2 and have been a member since 2014 doesn't know what BDFD, MP3, ATC etc means.

All his posts are simple questions like this that are easily googleable. And he asked once what BDFD meant, it was answered, and he asked it again in the same thread.

You're a more patient man than I am Aaron
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Old 10-13-2017, 11:04 PM   #19
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I hate to speculate but I feel like BobC is trolling here. I hope I'm wrong but it's hard to believe that a person who's interested enough in poker to have found 2p2 and have been a member since 2014 doesn't know what BDFD, MP3, ATC etc means.

All his posts are simple questions like this that are easily googleable. And he asked once what BDFD meant, it was answered, and he asked it again in the same thread.

You're a more patient man than I am Aaron
The post rate is slow enough that even if it's a troll, it's an innocuous one. Less than 100 posts in 3 years isn't that much. The majority of BobC's posts are questions like this, but there are a few "regular" looking posts in his history.
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Old 10-17-2017, 03:06 AM   #20
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Re: 8/16 - A6s flop decision

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I open raise A6 in MP3, HJ and BN call.

3-way (7.5 SB): J83
I cbet, HJ calls and BN raises.

11.5:1...do I have enough to call here or should I just fold?

Also, is my hand ok or too loose for MP3?
Slightly too loose preflop for me, but not the end of the world. I would check call the flop, but as played call.
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