Quote:
Originally Posted by offTopic
While this percolates, it occurs to me that I really don’t have a donking range out of the blinds in a raised pot when I’m not the aggressor. That can’t possibly be right, can it?
In the scheme of trying to find balanced ranges, it can be perfectly right. It may not be the most profitable thing, but never donking at least keeps you from having unbalanced ranges that are harder to work with. (Are you *only* donking top pair here? That makes you transparent. But then what types of other hands do you donk to keep your hands mixed?)
I'm fine with never donking into a multiway pot against a preflop aggressor.
As for the hand itself, at 6-12 I think I can fold this on the flop for two bets. It would take some special circumstances for me to 3-bet, where "special" means "wild players that can bet/raise second pair and a whole bunch of draws."
1) I don't think you're in trouble against the donker. I would assume there's a mixture of top pairs with various kickers and some drawing hands.
2) The raiser is interesting, because this raise can often shut out huge chunks of his range. Some players may bet/raise any flush draw, but others only raise if they have a "good" hand (where "good" is in the eye of the beholder -- so T8s top pair may be "good" here).
3) The preflop raiser's coldcall is another one where assumptions are huge. Will he be stubborn with overcards here? Will he hold onto a pocket pair like 9s or 7s here? If not, then this very likely an overpair that's not sure where it stands.
In a vacuum, I'm content to throw this one away. We need both players that put in two bets already to be getting frisky (raiser) and stubborn (PFR) at the same time, and I don't like that parlay.
If we had Ks or maybe with K
T
, I lean towards a coldcall and see where things go (but definitely not committed to showing it down UI).