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Old 09-12-2017, 12:34 AM   #1
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.50-1 -- All My Choices Look Bad

Villain is a 2p2er; he can out himself if he wishes.

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Hero (SB): 21.95 BB
BB: 22.8 BB (VPIP: 45.62, PFR: 33.89, 3Bet Preflop: 18.81, Hands: 623)

Hero posts SB 0.25 BB, BB posts BB 0.5 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 0.75 BB) Hero has J J

fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 1 BB, BB calls 0.5 BB

Flop: (2 BB, 2 players) 9 5 8
Hero bets 0.5 BB, BB calls 0.5 BB

Turn: (3 BB, 2 players) 3
Hero bets 1 BB, BB raises to 2 BB, Hero raises to 3 BB, BB calls 1 BB

River: (9 BB, 2 players) 9

All of a sudden, I feel like the villain's range is strongly polarized between 9X (or maybe 76, but I think they would have four-bet the turn with a made straight) and hands that cannot call a river bet. Granted that to pot is big, but are they really going to crying-call a river bet with an eight or five?

I don't like bet/folding in a pot this big. I don't like bet/calling (although I gather from their forum posts that this villain could easily have a bluff-raising range). The pot has nine bets in it; I am not going to check and fold for one more (this villain could easily bluff a missed draw like 64) so I guess my least worst option is to check/call (and expect to lose if the villain bets).
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Old 09-12-2017, 02:08 AM   #2
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Re: .50-1 -- All My Choices Look Bad

I'd just check, there just aren't that many hands to get value from that he would be playing this way.
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Old 09-12-2017, 02:21 AM   #3
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Re: .50-1 -- All My Choices Look Bad

3b the turn with JT more
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Old 09-12-2017, 10:56 AM   #4
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Re: .50-1 -- All My Choices Look Bad

Are the stats filtered for 5 handed or does that include 3 and 4 handed play?

I like the hand as played and I'd check call the river in your shoes.

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Old 09-12-2017, 12:58 PM   #5
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Re: .50-1 -- All My Choices Look Bad

AB, what does villain think you have after turn? (Can you) (would you) run a turn bluff with say AQ here....representing the actual hand type you have? If so....would you likely be firing off three barrels against this unknown* villain?
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Old 09-12-2017, 01:40 PM   #6
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Re: .50-1 -- All My Choices Look Bad

With AQs I am calling down and hoping the villain shows down a hand like JT.

Ma-a-aybe I could play a hand like KT like that, but even that seems a bit too showdownable. I am thinking it through and I can't find a "strongest hand I would fold in this spot" -- everything I can think of is at least a gutshot+overcard combination.

Unimproved on the river, some J- or Q-high combos might be worth a bluff raise.
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Old 09-12-2017, 05:12 PM   #7
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Re: .50-1 -- All My Choices Look Bad

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I like the hand as played and I'd check call the river in your shoes.
I like it through the turn too but I don't understand why you think river check is better than b/c.

Is your river value raise range super narrow, and does he know that?
Are you at risk to bluff raise river too wide?
Are you not regularly waiting to the turn to raise an 2nd pair/8x hu?
Are you not regularly 4bing turn with overpair/QQ-AA?
Will you ever bluff the river when checked to on this line?

Hero's hand should be good a lot, the only major mistake hero can make by betting is calling too much if your river raising range is exclusively 9s. If only one river bet goes it seems clear it's better for hero to bet than c/c
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Old 09-12-2017, 07:16 PM   #8
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Is your river value raise range super narrow, and does he know that?
All of my river value raises beat JJ. I don't know if he knows that.
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Are you at risk to bluff raise river too wide?
No but I will bluff raise with the top of my folding range, which is probably QTo just some % of the time of the some % of the time that I raise the turn with that hand.
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Are you not regularly waiting to the turn to raise an 2nd pair/8x hu?
Not on that board, but now that I know he'll bet call AQ on that turn, perhaps that's the best line. Typically I'll raise the flop with strong hands and some bluffs on flops like that.
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Are you not regularly 4bing turn with overpair/QQ-AA?
I 3 bet those preflop.
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Will you ever bluff the river when checked to on this line?
Yes of course. Probably with stuff like 64, 74 100% of the time that I end up in that spot with those hands, which is probably <50% of the time as I often raise the flop or just call the turn after calling the flop, maybe T6 and T7 the small % of the time that I take this line with them; I'd often call the turn with T6 and often raise the flop with T7, so I don't have those hands here often.

It's tough to tell if that's too much bluffing or not enough bluffing at just a glance. With all the mixing on previous streets, I really have no idea. Homework time I suppose.
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Old 09-13-2017, 09:53 AM   #9
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Re: .50-1 -- All My Choices Look Bad

make sense. Perhaps you know more about how the hero plays than I do. On a turn b/3 line I'd anticipate his bluff range is very thin and for a lot of players non-existent. If you doubt he's legit to the point where you will fire non sd hands when checked to on the river, then c/c looks pretty good for hero.

However your response also suggests hero should be able to b/f this river so it's still not clear without counting combos whether you have more sd hands that will call but not bet or more non sd hands that will bluff. Regardless, if hero is going to b/c then should definitely check.
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Old 09-15-2017, 10:11 AM   #10
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looks like there is a ton of value in betting, absent more info on the villain I guess bet/calling seems better than b/f

Hero's hand is strong enough going for a thin xr on river is kind of a cool line
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Old 09-18-2017, 08:24 AM   #11
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I find this spot amusing because I imagine both Alan and I blurted out "oh ****" when the nine hit on the river. I was happy when he checked because I now had three pair, which should clearly beat two pair in a game of six card holdem, but unfortunately we were playing five card holdem.

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Hero's hand is strong enough going for a thin xr on river is kind of a cool line
After a solid tag, imo , 3 bets the turn and checks the river, I'm probably checking back JJ. Maybe that's bad? Idk, but check raising JJ seems like spew to me. I think he either has nothing like JTo, or he has me beat. I'd be apprehensive about betting 9x there without this new information that he can bet 3 bet the turn with JJ here.
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Old 09-18-2017, 08:30 AM   #12
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AB, what does villain think you have after turn?
I put em on this after he 3 bets:

straight, sets, 85s, 95o, 95s, 98o, 98s, discounted overpairs, occasional draw like JT or A2 or A4. With the hand that I actually held:

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I'm drawing vs that range and hoping to catch bluffs or improve.
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Old 09-18-2017, 08:48 AM   #13
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Are you not regularly waiting to the turn to raise an 2nd pair/8x hu?
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Not on that board, but now that I know he'll bet call AQ on that turn, perhaps that's the best line. Typically I'll raise the flop with strong hands and some bluffs on flops like that.
Haha I think it's funny. A few days later, this happened:

fold, Alan raises small blind, I call big blind with 54o.

236r

Alan bets. I think of the above quotes and instantly raise to level the **** outta him. Idk what he had but I'm pretty sure it worked because I won a big pot.
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Old 09-18-2017, 10:38 AM   #14
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Re: .50-1 -- All My Choices Look Bad

That was this one, I think:

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Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BB): 103.61 BB
BTN: 41.37 BB (VPIP: 43.92, PFR: 32.25, 3Bet Preflop: 17.35, Hands: 805)
SB: 20.15 BB (VPIP: 37.73, PFR: 9.81, 3Bet Preflop: 0.92, Hands: 290)

SB posts SB 0.25 BB, Hero posts BB 0.5 BB

BTN bets 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.75 BB) Hero has J K
fold, Hero raises to 1.5 BB, BTN calls 0.5 BB

Flop: (3.25 BB, 2 players) 3 2 6
Hero bets 0.5 BB, BTN raises to 1 BB, Hero calls 0.5 BB

Turn: (5.25 BB, 2 players) J
Hero checks, BTN bets 1 BB, Hero raises to 2 BB, BTN raises to 3 BB, Hero calls 1 BB

River: (11.25 BB, 2 players) 9
Hero checks, BTN bets 1 BB, Hero calls 1 BB

Hero shows J K (One Pair, Jacks)
(Pre 63%, Flop 0.5%, Turn 0%)
BTN shows 4 5 (Straight, Six High)
(Pre 37%, Flop 99.6%, Turn 100%)
BTN wins 12.85 BB
Rake paid 0.32 BB

0.08 BB was deducted from the pot for the jackpot.

You won a big pot because I spiked TPGK on the turn.
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Old 09-18-2017, 10:45 AM   #15
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Ohh straddle pot. Pardon me.

I think KJo no bdfd might be a flop donk check there.
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