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Old 09-07-2017, 06:49 PM   #1
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.50-1.00 HUHU: TPTK Turns Top Two on Wet Board.

Villain is what passes for solid at these limits, is likely pro. I am only playing them while waiting for the game to fill up.

Hero (BB): 32.46 BB
SB: 233.22 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has A T

SB raises to 2 BB, Hero raises to 3 BB, SB calls 1 BB

Flop: (6 BB, 2 players) 8 T 9
Hero bets 1 BB, SB raises to 2 BB, Hero raises to 3 BB, SB calls 1 BB

Turn: (12 BB, 2 players) A
Hero bets 2 BB, SB raises to 4 BB, Hero ???
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Old 09-07-2017, 07:48 PM   #2
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Re: .50-1.00 HUHU: TPTK Turns Top Two on Wet Board.

Pretty easy call down.

I also really never three bet Pre huhu but that's a style thing.
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Old 09-07-2017, 07:55 PM   #3
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Re: .50-1.00 HUHU: TPTK Turns Top Two on Wet Board.

Preflop, I figure that ranges are so wide that it doesn't matter all that much to split them in two.
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Old 09-07-2017, 09:35 PM   #4
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Re: .50-1.00 HUHU: TPTK Turns Top Two on Wet Board.

For HUHU I remember hearing that if villain will c-bet close to 100% you can flat call entire range. Completing small blind, preflop 3-bet or no, check-raising flop, and also donk betting are some of the most interesting things ppl do differently. Will usually depend on opp's tendencies and whats going on in the game. As a default, I'm personally most comfortable never limping preflop, flatting 100% preflop, never donk betting, and never C/R flop.
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Old 09-08-2017, 04:55 AM   #5
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Re: .50-1.00 HUHU: TPTK Turns Top Two on Wet Board.

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Pretty easy call down.

I also really never three bet Pre huhu but that's a style thing.
I dont think his thinking of folding.
I think it is much closer to a raise than a call down.
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Old 09-08-2017, 10:16 AM   #6
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I dont think his thinking of folding.
I think it is much closer to a raise than a call down.
NFS meant call down rather than raise because a straight is reasonably possible.
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Old 09-08-2017, 10:32 AM   #7
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Re: .50-1.00 HUHU: TPTK Turns Top Two on Wet Board.

Against a good opponent, I'm calling down and actually expecting to lose, as strong as our hand looks. Against a fish, I'd be putting a 3 bet in immediately.
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Old 09-08-2017, 02:01 PM   #8
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Against a good opponent, I'm calling down and actually expecting to lose, as strong as our hand looks. Against a fish, I'd be putting a 3 bet in immediately.
The second part of this may depend on the particular fish, but I absolutely agree with jdr on this situation against this opponent. We have strong absolute hand strength but it's a weak hand against her range.

Let's spike an ace on the river.
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Old 09-08-2017, 02:58 PM   #9
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Old 09-08-2017, 05:07 PM   #10
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Old 09-08-2017, 07:09 PM   #11
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Old 09-09-2017, 01:01 AM   #12
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Re: .50-1.00 HUHU: TPTK Turns Top Two on Wet Board.

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Villain is what passes for solid at these limits, is likely pro. I am only playing them while waiting for the game to fill up.

Hero (BB): 32.46 BB
SB: 233.22 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has A T

SB raises to 2 BB, Hero raises to 3 BB, SB calls 1 BB

Flop: (6 BB, 2 players) 8 T 9
Hero bets 1 BB, SB raises to 2 BB, Hero raises to 3 BB, SB calls 1 BB

Turn: (12 BB, 2 players) A
Hero bets 2 BB, SB raises to 4 BB, Hero ???
I think you just need to count the combos.
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Old 09-09-2017, 01:02 AM   #13
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Re: .50-1.00 HUHU: TPTK Turns Top Two on Wet Board.

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Preflop, I figure that ranges are so wide that it doesn't matter all that much to split them in two.
I'm not sure what you're trying to say here, but I think it's most likely wrong.
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Old 09-09-2017, 11:09 AM   #14
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I'm not sure what you're trying to say here, but I think it's most likely wrong.
He's saying that his entire continuing range is super wide so he can 3-bet the strongest hands without the just-calling range being both weak and narrow.

The trend now towards flat calling 100% of continuing is something that makes more sense in some scenarios than others. Someone (9fingershuffle?) once posted a rule about never having a range tighter than ~10% OOP, which seems like a reasonable rule of thumb. If a FR UTG opponent raises 10%, we flat call in the BB because having a 3-betting range makes both our 3-bet and our calling ranges too narrow. But where I disagree with the current trend is when someone opens the BTN (40-60%) and we can either flat call the entire continuing range or 3-bet the best hands.

Furthermore, the more bets that are available until the cap, the more flat calling costs. Let's say a LAG raises the BTN with 100% and if you 3-bet he's going to 4-bet 30%. You're losing not 1 bet but 2 bets from your top 15% if you 3bet/call, and 3 bets if you 3bet/5.
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Old 09-09-2017, 11:58 AM   #15
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But where I disagree with the current trend is when someone opens the BTN (40-60%) and we can either flat call the entire continuing range or 3-bet the best hands.

Furthermore, the more bets that are available until the cap, the more flat calling costs. Let's say a LAG raises the BTN with 100% and if you 3-bet he's going to 4-bet 30%. You're losing not 1 bet but 2 bets from your top 15% if you 3bet/call, and 3 bets if you 3bet/5.
Good point about losing more bets pf, although I do think you start getting into the 5/10/15% range once it starts getting 4/5-bet pf. That would generally be an exploitive adjustment for me.

But it's not just about value, but also board coverage. If you 3bet 40% plus, you can't have Ax in your range when you call or the small suited connectors when you 3!

Personally I sometimes call and sometimes raise my stronger hands and sometimes call and sometimes raise suited hands and smaller pairs when playing HUHU oop. Obviously tending towards 3betting stronger hands and calling weaker ones, but I do not split my range into two.
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Old 09-09-2017, 12:59 PM   #16
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Re: .50-1.00 HUHU: TPTK Turns Top Two on Wet Board.

Moreover, a lot of these guys 4 bet terrible ranges, so not 3 betting denies them the chance to 4 bet A6o so they "can't get bluffed".
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